Reflections: Why I Decided to Ditch Bold and Determined

Bold and Determined is a blog I used to follow, but recently ditched - here's why!

Bold and Determined is a men’s self-improvement website written by an author who goes under the pen name Victor Pride. I recently clicked “unsubscribe” and in this article I’ll explain why.


I first discovered Bold and Determined about a year ago when I typed into Google “how to make money online”. I was very impressed by the layout, the presentation and some of the articles I read.

Slowly, I began to comment and get involved in the community. It’s a whole truck load of hungry, driven young guys looking up to their fictional mentor Victor Pride as some sort of demigod who they aspire to be.


It would be easy to get sucked into this dynamic if you were indeed an unsuccessful, submissive and ultimately gullible man.

I, however, am none of those things and as I have kept following B&D for the previous year, I’ve begun to notice some glaring cracks in the otherwise impressive facade.




5 Reasons I Unsubscribed from Bold and Determined

 1) Empty Content.

Perhaps the primary reason I decided to stop investing my time in Bold and Determined is that it doesn’t actually teach anything of value anymore.

Some of Victor’s older posts are actually quite good, but as one follows the trail to his current work it becomes quite clear that “Uncle Vic” has let the success go to his head, and his posts now are mostly about how awesome he is, how shitty your life is unless you’re a home based blogger, and how you can never be as awesome as Victor Pride.

There are many, many articles on the Bold and Determined website with many of the older ones being quite good, but very few of them actually teach concrete and useful information on how to achieve goals in the areas Victor tries to cover – bodybuilding, nutrition, making money and being a man.

What you’ll find there are mostly principles and empty albeit reasonably  inspirational words. There’s nothing to grab onto, nothing to use, and nothing to learn.

I personally value my time a little more than that.

2) Questionable Practices.

My doubts about the real person behind this fiction of Victor Pride began when I read his article on steroid use.

It seems that this person has absolutely zero understanding of the drugs he is promoting and the potentially deadly effects of using them.

Let’s not forget, steroids cause your muscles to grow at an un-natural rate. At first glance there is nothing particularly wrong with that until you stop to consider that your heart is a muscle, and that the tendons, ligaments and joints which connect and support your muscles don’t grow in accordance with the muscle. That may lead to some serious problems, just ask Arnold about his heart valve surgery in ’97.

Watch this documentary for a true picture on steroids and what they can do to your life. But I guess Victor would know better than a former Mr. Universe and professional bodybuilder, right?

My doubts increased yet further when Victor wrote a recent post recommending his readers to purchase a narcotic in order to feel “happy, calm and focused”.

Of course, Victor gets a nice slice of any sales he makes, so to hell with the consequences for readers lives and never mind that lots of countries have laws banning this substance for a good reason. Just type ‘Bold and Determined Kratom’ into Google and you’ll see this for yourself.

I just hope most of the naïve and gullible young guys reading don’t follow the terrible advice laid out in this ridiculous post.

3) Victor Pride hides his true identity.

I never trust anyone who doesn’t come out and say who they are and what they’re about. Just like I don’t trust a man who doesn’t look me in the eye when he’s talking to me.

Sure, I use the pen name G-Freedom, but my real name is Gavin and I’m currently living in Indonesia, I’m from Northern Ireland and I’m 29 years old. I can tell you virtually anything you’d like about myself, because who I am in real life is exactly congruent with who I am online.

Trust is a key factor in any relationship, even between readers and writers. I don’t trust Victor, it’s that simple.

Keys to Freedom cover

4) Doubts about Victor Pride’s personal story.

A lack of trust tends to have a spiral effect. I began to wonder: if this guy is using a fake name and hiding behind a facade, what if his whole life is fake?

I do have certain questions about Victor Pride’s story. He claims to live in Thailand yet he is neither married to a Thai national nor is he employed in Thailand. This raises questions as to how exactly he gets his visa to live there.

I live in Indonesia and I’ve been to Thailand many times. There are basically three options for staying there long-term: work, get married or have a business in the country which allows you to stay for limited time periods.


Also, living here has given me an insight into the insecure, pathetic breed of expat who are nobody back home and move to Asia and lose touch with all reality. It seems like perhaps victor has fallen into that trap.

I’m not saying it’s impossible to bribe a Thai official, I’m just saying it’s highly unlikely that you can do this for a sustained period of time, especially when traveling in and out of the country as Victor says he does.

I don’t want to make a direct accusation, but an answer as to how Victor manages to get around the rules of a nation would sure go a long way to increasing trust and bringing some authenticity to the story.

5) I’m not impressed by Victor Pride.

In order to follow someone, you need to be impressed by them. That’s the general idea of following, you emulate.

There are several things which turn me off about this guy.

Firstly, Victor writes that he has built the best blog in the world and is rich. Everyone should quit their boring, mind numbing jobs and be more like him. He makes 10k a month online and is king of the castle.

Wrong.

10k a month is small potatoes. I personally make 15, and I’m only in my second year of my career. I also enjoy six months off so I’m not a wage slave as Vic likes to dub people with real jobs. Never mind the fact that Victor is entirely dependent on those people he disrespects who fly planes, drive taxis, build the computer he uses, and hell do just about everything. They aren’t an independent blogger, so they’re losers.

Also, every web analytics tool I ran Bold and Determined through state that the site makes around $3000 a month. I suppose that explains the disclaimer on the article about making 10k a month online that states it’s for entertainment purposes only.


I also find it decidedly convenient that Victor planted this seed just a little while before releasing Badnet, where you too can start a blog and bathe in online riches, as long as you sign up and Victor gets his $150 commission.

Besides these dubious claims about having the best blog in the world (actually it’s number 31,000 in the Alexa rankings) and making such a mediocre amount of money, the man behind the character himself is absolutely repugnant.

When I really began to go off this guy was in his most recent podcast when he made racist comments about inter racial breeding. You can have a non-white girlfriend, just as long as you don’t have babies together, so says Vic.

What a load of Neanderthal, disgusting dog shit!

How can anyone respect a small-minded, ignorant person like this? I know I can’t. I’m married to a Filipina and half my in-laws are from Africa and I’m 100% proud of that fact. It’s the modern world, and I’m proud to be a part of it.

Finally, before ending this article and saying goodbye to Bold and Determined for good, I have to say one last thing:

If you are buying into what Victor is selling, you’re in great need of a course on critical thinking .

It’s that simple. You’re buying into a dream crafted by a very clever marketer who is only buff because he uses chemicals to enhance his muscle mass, may or may not make the income he claims, and is a racist, arrogant megalomaniac.

This is not the kind of guy I am inclined to follow, nor the kind of direction I want to take in life.

Some people who read Bold and Determined avidly won’t like what I’ve written here. I don’t care. I always speak my mind and say what I believe to be the truth. If you don’t like it, so be it.

Desire. Decide. Persist.

G-Freedom

 

228 Comments

  1. Steroids in moderation isn't likely to do anything near to what it does to bodybuilders in terms of damage because your doses are much much smaller.

    I don't know what analytics tool you use to calculate earnings of a site but they are all bs so that point is invalid. I've had sites with more traffic earn 5x less than sites with a quarter of the traffic. And that's pretty much all those tools take into account, traffic. not conversion rate, not what your promoting etc.

    Also 10k/month isn't change. It may be to you since your on 15 (if thats true, props if it is) but that is enough money to live well in even the most expensive cities.

    I'm not trying to arselick victor either, in fact I agree with you about his content going down hill and him being full of himself. I've steered away from his blog too.

  2. Steroids in moderation isn't likely to do anything near to what it does to bodybuilders in terms of damage because your doses are much much smaller.

    I don't know what analytics tool you use to calculate earnings of a site but they are all bs so that point is invalid. I've had sites with more traffic earn 5x less than sites with a quarter of the traffic. And that's pretty much all those tools take into account, traffic. not conversion rate, not what your promoting etc.

    Also 10k/month isn't change. It may be to you since your on 15 (if thats true, props if it is) but that is enough money to live well in even the most expensive cities.

    I'm not trying to arselick victor either, in fact I agree with you about his content going down hill and him being full of himself. I've steered away from his blog too.

  3. I found your website through D&P. I like the stuff that Victor writes. As I lived in Thailand for around 5months I can tell you a bit about visas.

    You could live in Thailand for years on tourist visa. If you did a visa run through the plane you get 30 day visa on arrival. Think, having a nice weekend away in Hong Kong or Vietnam. People were living like this for years. Since May 2014 it has changed as military took power. But with a bit of money you can buy anything. And visas bribes aren't that expensive. Keep in mind that a lot of people were living from visas runs and visas bribes so they need to find a way to get their extra source of income. And they are doing that…

    As I write under my real name I will put a disclaimer: Anything I have written is just for entertainment purposes. In real life I would never bribe a police commissioner as giving bribes is illegal. M'K?

    Now you can understand that why he has written a disclaimer. For example if Thai authorities somehow would find B&D then he might have to pay taxes here. But as he's just writing for fun and entertainment. Man it's just a smart thing to do…

    And his identity… Victor Pride is so easy to remember, it's a great marketing tool. I am thinking about finding a nickname for myself as no one except Polish people can remember my name…

  4. I found your website through D&P. I like the stuff that Victor writes. As I lived in Thailand for around 5months I can tell you a bit about visas.

    You could live in Thailand for years on tourist visa. If you did a visa run through the plane you get 30 day visa on arrival. Think, having a nice weekend away in Hong Kong or Vietnam. People were living like this for years. Since May 2014 it has changed as military took power. But with a bit of money you can buy anything. And visas bribes aren't that expensive. Keep in mind that a lot of people were living from visas runs and visas bribes so they need to find a way to get their extra source of income. And they are doing that…

    As I write under my real name I will put a disclaimer: Anything I have written is just for entertainment purposes. In real life I would never bribe a police commissioner as giving bribes is illegal. M'K?

    Now you can understand that why he has written a disclaimer. For example if Thai authorities somehow would find B&D then he might have to pay taxes here. But as he's just writing for fun and entertainment. Man it's just a smart thing to do…

    And his identity… Victor Pride is so easy to remember, it's a great marketing tool. I am thinking about finding a nickname for myself as no one except Polish people can remember my name…

  5. I've been in Thailand a lot of times and I know this is bullshit. In fact, there's a guy sitting beside me right now who lives there and works here in Aussie on the rig. You can only get a tourist visa like what you say for 3 months in a row, affter which time you have to leave for 3 months.

    I'm willing to give the benefit on the doubt and say OK, he's found a way around it. I may be wrong about this particular point, but the rest of what i said stands. He's lost the plot, he's a racist and he certainly has lost touch with reality.

    • Hey man,

      Agree with everything you just wrote so nothing to add there. I won’t be reading there anymore either (not that I did much in the first place).

      About Thai visas – I’ve been there twice and if my memory is correct, you stay for 3 months and then just go to one of the many borders, go out, and then just go back in again and renew. You just go out through customs on one of those motorbike taxis and go around in a circle back into customs. You don’t have to wait another 3 months. Is that new or something?

      Will check the blog out by the way.

      Cheers

      • Hey Daniel, where did you go in Thailand? I’ve been there a few times myself. When I went in the third time the Thai order official specifically told me not to come back for 3 months. I know anything is possible in Thailand with a hundred dollar bill, and I’m always open to being proven wrong, but I need to see evidence from the guy before I fully believe him! Thanks for reading and taking the time to comment…

  6. I've been in Thailand a lot of times and I know this is bullshit. In fact, there's a guy sitting beside me right now who lives there and works here in Aussie on the rig. You can only get a tourist visa like what you say for 3 months in a row, affter which time you have to leave for 3 months.

    I'm willing to give the benefit on the doubt and say OK, he's found a way around it. I may be wrong about this particular point, but the rest of what i said stands. He's lost the plot, he's a racist and he certainly has lost touch with reality.

    • Hey man,

      Agree with everything you just wrote so nothing to add there. I won’t be reading there anymore either (not that I did much in the first place).

      About Thai visas – I’ve been there twice and if my memory is correct, you stay for 3 months and then just go to one of the many borders, go out, and then just go back in again and renew. You just go out through customs on one of those motorbike taxis and go around in a circle back into customs. You don’t have to wait another 3 months. Is that new or something?

      Will check the blog out by the way.

      Cheers

      • Hey Daniel, where did you go in Thailand? I’ve been there a few times myself. When I went in the third time the Thai order official specifically told me not to come back for 3 months. I know anything is possible in Thailand with a hundred dollar bill, and I’m always open to being proven wrong, but I need to see evidence from the guy before I fully believe him! Thanks for reading and taking the time to comment…

  7. Hey Im a (former) reader of B&D and also found you via the D&P comments.

    I totally agree with what you are saying in this article. That dude is incredibly 2-faced.

    To be honest i still read his site despite the fact that, as you say, the content sucks (I will however boycott it from now on). I do this because he is entertaining…. And I wonder how any other of his readers feel the same way.. that he is a big clown. Albeit a well-paid and muscular clown 😉

    And not only is he a clown, but he is VERY contradictory (self-rationalizing whatever he does as the 'right thing' to do) as well.

    For example, as you do NOT mention in your post, he recently said that, “if you don't show your face you're not a man and you're a 'nobody', and that means you can never be a 'somebody'. “

    — And this is ironic, because he hid his identity for over 2 years. Then he eventually dared to man-up and show his face.

    — He has even written articles about how to hide your identity online etc.. (perhaps deleted now?)

    So yeah… What i mean is that he is an obvious hippocrite. Who justifies whatever he does AFTERWARDS.
    – Before (when he did it) it was awesome to hide your face and identity. Now it's awesome
    To show your face.
    Which one is it 😉

    Good thing this guy is not up for a presidential election. It would mean he is a FLIPFLOPPER

    Also
    There is only 1 tiny exception of the things i dont agree with, that you write about the domain worth. The reason I say this is because a friend of mine has a popular site with än Alexa Rank of 50-80K and he makes ZERO off of it (and it's not a blog). Yet the valuation sites say the site is worth 50-100K dollars, and that he makes over 1000 dollars per day.

    So my point is that those valuation sited probably are based on some strange and inaccurate algorithms.

    Anyway I just wanted to say that your blog has a lot of promise. If you pulled it off blogger onto a “real” engine it would be better – more customizable and legitimate.

    If you make 15 k a month and have lots of time off, why don't you focus on making this site a killer, make it all it COULD be. What it has the potential to be!

    I'm not saying this in an accusatory fashion, that's just how I feel about it.

    Keep it up and hopefully improve the site 🙂

  8. Hey Im a (former) reader of B&D and also found you via the D&P comments.

    I totally agree with what you are saying in this article. That dude is incredibly 2-faced.

    To be honest i still read his site despite the fact that, as you say, the content sucks (I will however boycott it from now on). I do this because he is entertaining…. And I wonder how any other of his readers feel the same way.. that he is a big clown. Albeit a well-paid and muscular clown 😉

    And not only is he a clown, but he is VERY contradictory (self-rationalizing whatever he does as the 'right thing' to do) as well.

    For example, as you do NOT mention in your post, he recently said that, “if you don't show your face you're not a man and you're a 'nobody', and that means you can never be a 'somebody'. “

    — And this is ironic, because he hid his identity for over 2 years. Then he eventually dared to man-up and show his face.

    — He has even written articles about how to hide your identity online etc.. (perhaps deleted now?)

    So yeah… What i mean is that he is an obvious hippocrite. Who justifies whatever he does AFTERWARDS.
    – Before (when he did it) it was awesome to hide your face and identity. Now it's awesome
    To show your face.
    Which one is it 😉

    Good thing this guy is not up for a presidential election. It would mean he is a FLIPFLOPPER

    Also
    There is only 1 tiny exception of the things i dont agree with, that you write about the domain worth. The reason I say this is because a friend of mine has a popular site with än Alexa Rank of 50-80K and he makes ZERO off of it (and it's not a blog). Yet the valuation sites say the site is worth 50-100K dollars, and that he makes over 1000 dollars per day.

    So my point is that those valuation sited probably are based on some strange and inaccurate algorithms.

    Anyway I just wanted to say that your blog has a lot of promise. If you pulled it off blogger onto a “real” engine it would be better – more customizable and legitimate.

    If you make 15 k a month and have lots of time off, why don't you focus on making this site a killer, make it all it COULD be. What it has the potential to be!

    I'm not saying this in an accusatory fashion, that's just how I feel about it.

    Keep it up and hopefully improve the site 🙂

    • Exactly. He doesn’t put his name to anything. I’m not even convinced that those photos are really him. Think about it – he could have just gone to a local gym, spoke to some bodybuilder and then paid the dude to pose in photos/videos etc. Unlikely someone would go to such lengths, but I don’t trust him one bit.

    • I used to like his articles but he defo doesn’t do what he says. One minute he is telling you to only eat steak ( heart disease in the making). Next dont have interracial kids yet his misses seems Vietnamese ( go figure), how America is great yet he is in Asia on the next post, just doesn’t tally up, shame cos I really did enjoy his articles, but now it’s hard to read them and take them seriously. Do as I say not as I do springs to mind.

  9. Hey man,

    Good to see someone else can see through the nonsense marketing crap and actually use their brain to analyze a situation, unlike all the little followers who are ironically being the worst kind of beta male in the world by sucking uncle Vics balls on a weekly basis.

    I have had other people question the valuations and I do see a point there. Also someone else pointed out that his books lead to other sites to make sales so they wouldn't be counted as revenue for B&D, which I take as a fair point and I'm probably wrong about that.

    I appreciate the feedback on the site. I'm working on doing something bigger with the site and getting a proper host, but for now to be honest I'm just playing. The limits of blogger are starting to annoy me, so I will begin the process of moving it to a paid host and possibly redesign slightly.

    Thanks for commenting and I hope you come back and read again. You're feedback is greatly appreciated!

    G

  10. Hey man,

    Good to see someone else can see through the nonsense marketing crap and actually use their brain to analyze a situation, unlike all the little followers who are ironically being the worst kind of beta male in the world by sucking uncle Vics balls on a weekly basis.

    I have had other people question the valuations and I do see a point there. Also someone else pointed out that his books lead to other sites to make sales so they wouldn't be counted as revenue for B&D, which I take as a fair point and I'm probably wrong about that.

    I appreciate the feedback on the site. I'm working on doing something bigger with the site and getting a proper host, but for now to be honest I'm just playing. The limits of blogger are starting to annoy me, so I will begin the process of moving it to a paid host and possibly redesign slightly.

    Thanks for commenting and I hope you come back and read again. You're feedback is greatly appreciated!

    G

  11. Hey, found someone that thinks like me (blind following a self-proclamed “i-know-everything-and-my-word-is-gold”).

    And, could you elaborate more on how to make money online?

  12. Hey, found someone that thinks like me (blind following a self-proclamed “i-know-everything-and-my-word-is-gold”).

    And, could you elaborate more on how to make money online?

  13. Haha, looks like I'm not alone in questioning this fool then.

    I can't really elaborate on making money online through a website because I don't make any from this site. I do make some from my other website http://www.premieresl.com, where I proof read and edit documents and have some people working as english teachers which I take a slice of.

    Also I spread bet – that means I bet on the stock market going up or down and make money that way. It's all done online so it could qualify as online income.

    Thanks for reading!

  14. Haha, looks like I'm not alone in questioning this fool then.

    I can't really elaborate on making money online through a website because I don't make any from this site. I do make some from my other website http://www.premieresl.com, where I proof read and edit documents and have some people working as english teachers which I take a slice of.

    Also I spread bet – that means I bet on the stock market going up or down and make money that way. It's all done online so it could qualify as online income.

    Thanks for reading!

  15. And that means what exactly Bern?

    I said in the article some of the old B&D posts are good, and i got the idea to strt a blog from both B&D and Quicksprout…nonetheless, Victors message doesn't resonate with who I want to become, be or associate with. Your point doesn't address a single thing I've said.

  16. And that means what exactly Bern?

    I said in the article some of the old B&D posts are good, and i got the idea to strt a blog from both B&D and Quicksprout…nonetheless, Victors message doesn't resonate with who I want to become, be or associate with. Your point doesn't address a single thing I've said.

  17. I've been following B&D for about 3 years. I also agree that in the beginning, his posts were far better and delivered greater value. Back then, they actually taught you something you didn't know. But now, everything seems to be about 'motivation'.

    I guess he's either run out of things to say or he's changed his direction to purely marketing and selling his products.

    My guess is, his sole aim these days is to create an emotional response in the readers by writing motivational pieces (something he does very well in my opinion) or making them envious of the life he claims to live. This is what gets them to part with their money.

    The one thing you have to remember about Victor, is his goal, as he's mentioned several times recently, is to get filthy rich. For me, as soon as someone says this, that should get you thinking more carefully about the kind of methods they are willing to employ.

    One instance that comes to mind is the way he promotes Body of a Spartan.

    Victor has admitted that he's not a natural trainer on B&D, yet if you go to the main Body of a Spartan page, you'll notice him advertising his product to natural trainers in big red writing whilst using a picture of himself whilst he wasn't natural. This is simply dishonest, and an example of how greed and making as much money as possible can take over. It's made even worse by the fact that Victor has a post on B&D that talks about drug use in the fitness/supplement industry, where companies will used drugged up models to sell supplements to ignorant buyers who don't know any better. Basically Victor is doing the same thing by advertising his training program to natural trainers (regular guys) by using pictures of himself while on drugs.

  18. I've been following B&D for about 3 years. I also agree that in the beginning, his posts were far better and delivered greater value. Back then, they actually taught you something you didn't know. But now, everything seems to be about 'motivation'.

    I guess he's either run out of things to say or he's changed his direction to purely marketing and selling his products.

    My guess is, his sole aim these days is to create an emotional response in the readers by writing motivational pieces (something he does very well in my opinion) or making them envious of the life he claims to live. This is what gets them to part with their money.

    The one thing you have to remember about Victor, is his goal, as he's mentioned several times recently, is to get filthy rich. For me, as soon as someone says this, that should get you thinking more carefully about the kind of methods they are willing to employ.

    One instance that comes to mind is the way he promotes Body of a Spartan.

    Victor has admitted that he's not a natural trainer on B&D, yet if you go to the main Body of a Spartan page, you'll notice him advertising his product to natural trainers in big red writing whilst using a picture of himself whilst he wasn't natural. This is simply dishonest, and an example of how greed and making as much money as possible can take over. It's made even worse by the fact that Victor has a post on B&D that talks about drug use in the fitness/supplement industry, where companies will used drugged up models to sell supplements to ignorant buyers who don't know any better. Basically Victor is doing the same thing by advertising his training program to natural trainers (regular guys) by using pictures of himself while on drugs.

  19. Agree 100%.

    Secondly he keeps claiming all fitness models etc are on steroids, but I personally have gaoned 20+lbs of muscle without them (even though I fully admit to having dabbled with them in the past, not this time).

    Any man who makes comments like “Asian people are a bunch of dicks” and “life isn't fair, so take the advantage” automatically rings my sociopath radar and loses all credibility.

    That's the sign of a pure predator. Shame most of the young, naive guys who read B&D won't be wise and street smart enough to spot this.

        • On the contrary, you made a decision based on emotion (you felt); you, by definition, have no reason. As I wrote to you before, which path are you following: that of the Self or the self? The path of the Self is objective. If you’re pursuing the self (selfish), then by all means rationalize your decisions with emotion. I argue that saying “…because I felt like it” is just easier than telling the real reason. Of course you don’t have to tell me the real reason, but I’m pretty sure you have one you’re covering for with a statement like “I felt like it.”

  20. Agree 100%.

    Secondly he keeps claiming all fitness models etc are on steroids, but I personally have gaoned 20+lbs of muscle without them (even though I fully admit to having dabbled with them in the past, not this time).

    Any man who makes comments like “Asian people are a bunch of dicks” and “life isn't fair, so take the advantage” automatically rings my sociopath radar and loses all credibility.

    That's the sign of a pure predator. Shame most of the young, naive guys who read B&D won't be wise and street smart enough to spot this.

  21. Hello G-Freedom

    This is a great post, and it's kinda relief for me to se that my gutfeeling was not completely off about VP. I won't say i have been following blindly, but i have been questening myself way to much lately, feeling like a complete looser at some point (at least only a day or to), because if you believe Victors writing, and not follow through like a machine every single day that's what you are.

    As you i also think Victor has some great writings and teachings, Bold and Determined proably had some of the most positive influence on me, at least in a very long time, and therefore i would give him an enormous benefit of the doubt. I still think he has some of the best writings and motivational stuff ever, but i also think that's how he is getting away with the more douchy stuff.

    Thank you, you articel had a great emotional impact on me !

    Lasse

  22. Hello G-Freedom

    This is a great post, and it's kinda relief for me to se that my gutfeeling was not completely off about VP. I won't say i have been following blindly, but i have been questening myself way to much lately, feeling like a complete looser at some point (at least only a day or to), because if you believe Victors writing, and not follow through like a machine every single day that's what you are.

    As you i also think Victor has some great writings and teachings, Bold and Determined proably had some of the most positive influence on me, at least in a very long time, and therefore i would give him an enormous benefit of the doubt. I still think he has some of the best writings and motivational stuff ever, but i also think that's how he is getting away with the more douchy stuff.

    Thank you, you articel had a great emotional impact on me !

    Lasse

  23. Good to see someone else is thinking for themselves and not just following an “authority” figure.

    That inadequacy you feel when you read VP's posts is exactly what he is aiming for. It's a manipulative marketing technique.

    I do agree his old posts were much better. Guess he let the success go to his head.

    Anyway, I'm glad you like reading this blog. Thanks for posting and keep reading!

  24. Good to see someone else is thinking for themselves and not just following an “authority” figure.

    That inadequacy you feel when you read VP's posts is exactly what he is aiming for. It's a manipulative marketing technique.

    I do agree his old posts were much better. Guess he let the success go to his head.

    Anyway, I'm glad you like reading this blog. Thanks for posting and keep reading!

  25. Yeah, at least i was questioning, even it was first when read this i, seeing i was not alone i became sure, that there is some real cracks to be found.

    To be clear i don´t have any problem with eather his steroid use (for what i know the pics on his salespage is before using them) or his kratomguide, that´s up to every man to deside if that´s for him. What i don´t like is all the labelling of people that not fit into his picture. It´s ok to be obsessed about your personal projects, for sure. Using personal succes to justify labelling and disrespecting others is not.

    Secondly i absolutely hate when people of any kind says something like as long as you work hard enough you will make it, and if you don´t it´s your own fault. There is simply not enough jobs for everybody in this world, especially not as rockstars and entrepreneurs. Preaching pure liberalism, is like throwing 9 lifevests to 10 people, and then afterwards pointing fingers of the one who ultimately drowned. Victor just makes money on thoose people, which is fine, as long as he don't afterwards says that the last guy was a looser for not buying a vest one of his vests to, when he only had 9 vests to sell.

    And even though it's hard to set fingers on, because he also sometimes talks about making strategic decissions and not only following dreams blindly, that is how he makes a lot of his money, and even thorugh i have no proof he doesn´t care, i don´t get the impression that he does.

    As you pointed out, most of his followers are just following blindly without questioning. Thats how good a writer he is, and that is what makes him dangerous, even through im sure he changes a lot lifes to.

  26. Yeah, at least i was questioning, even it was first when read this i, seeing i was not alone i became sure, that there is some real cracks to be found.

    To be clear i don´t have any problem with eather his steroid use (for what i know the pics on his salespage is before using them) or his kratomguide, that´s up to every man to deside if that´s for him. What i don´t like is all the labelling of people that not fit into his picture. It´s ok to be obsessed about your personal projects, for sure. Using personal succes to justify labelling and disrespecting others is not.

    Secondly i absolutely hate when people of any kind says something like as long as you work hard enough you will make it, and if you don´t it´s your own fault. There is simply not enough jobs for everybody in this world, especially not as rockstars and entrepreneurs. Preaching pure liberalism, is like throwing 9 lifevests to 10 people, and then afterwards pointing fingers of the one who ultimately drowned. Victor just makes money on thoose people, which is fine, as long as he don't afterwards says that the last guy was a looser for not buying a vest one of his vests to, when he only had 9 vests to sell.

    And even though it's hard to set fingers on, because he also sometimes talks about making strategic decissions and not only following dreams blindly, that is how he makes a lot of his money, and even thorugh i have no proof he doesn´t care, i don´t get the impression that he does.

    As you pointed out, most of his followers are just following blindly without questioning. Thats how good a writer he is, and that is what makes him dangerous, even through im sure he changes a lot lifes to.

  27. “To be clear i don´t have any problem with eather his steroid use (for what i know the pics on his salespage is before using them) or his kratomguide, that´s up to every man to deside if that´s for him.”

    The problem is not offering these things or recommending them, the problem is when you misrepresent them to naive, young dudes who don't know the darkside of both products. Kratom is a plain and simple addictive narcotic, there's no good way to frame it.

    “Secondly i absolutely hate when people of any kind says something like as long as you work hard enough you will make it, and if you don´t it´s your own fault. “

    I also agree. VP forgets he grew up in America, is clearly from a middle class background and probably had well off parents (I can tell this from how he talks about working class people). All of those things give him huge advantages over men who are probably 10x better than he, but just don't have the breaks. If he'd be a little more humble about his success I could take him seriously, but I see these clowns all the time who come to Asia, forget their roots and just lose their grip on reality. The reason they don't like going home is because it reminds them of reality – that they're nobody sepcial.

    I once questioned him in his comments about whether or not he thinks he's lucky compared to a Vietnamese taxi driver who makes $300 a month, he declined to reply. That tells me he just didn't have an answer. This is another reason i lost respect for him as a reader.

  28. “To be clear i don´t have any problem with eather his steroid use (for what i know the pics on his salespage is before using them) or his kratomguide, that´s up to every man to deside if that´s for him.”

    The problem is not offering these things or recommending them, the problem is when you misrepresent them to naive, young dudes who don't know the darkside of both products. Kratom is a plain and simple addictive narcotic, there's no good way to frame it.

    “Secondly i absolutely hate when people of any kind says something like as long as you work hard enough you will make it, and if you don´t it´s your own fault. “

    I also agree. VP forgets he grew up in America, is clearly from a middle class background and probably had well off parents (I can tell this from how he talks about working class people). All of those things give him huge advantages over men who are probably 10x better than he, but just don't have the breaks. If he'd be a little more humble about his success I could take him seriously, but I see these clowns all the time who come to Asia, forget their roots and just lose their grip on reality. The reason they don't like going home is because it reminds them of reality – that they're nobody sepcial.

    I once questioned him in his comments about whether or not he thinks he's lucky compared to a Vietnamese taxi driver who makes $300 a month, he declined to reply. That tells me he just didn't have an answer. This is another reason i lost respect for him as a reader.

  29. I'm just curious, the 15K? do you make it mostly from trading the market or a real physical business. You know, just cause a lot of people can claim anything online?

  30. I'm just curious, the 15K? do you make it mostly from trading the market or a real physical business. You know, just cause a lot of people can claim anything online?

  31. All of it is made from real world activities. I work offshore O&G in Aussie and take on proof reading/editing jobs through my company. I don't make a dime online unless i decided to place a trade and I don't even count that as income because it's not stable.

  32. All of it is made from real world activities. I work offshore O&G in Aussie and take on proof reading/editing jobs through my company. I don't make a dime online unless i decided to place a trade and I don't even count that as income because it's not stable.

  33. Hi G,

    Although I like your blog, I might have to pick a bone with you on this one.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not really a fan anymore of B & D – but as you said that Victor is now writing empty motivational pieces rather than solid how-to content, I'm wondering with your recent posts, how are you any different?

    Although I have not followed Victor blindly, he has influenced me in many ways. But douchebaggery aside, the real reason I stopped visiting his blog was because his posts got BORING. He once mentioned that his recent posts are being geared towards the “I want motivation” crowd, since that's where he's getting responses.

    I'm sick of motivational posts altogether. How many times does a reader need to be reminded that they've only got one life, or that there are battles ahead, or that they have to seize the day etc. etc. ? I know from a business perspective you give people what they want – motivation for people who read it again and again, but aren't probably going to succeed anyway because that's all they're doing – reading motivation.

    And don't tell me it's all about mindset – that's bullshit. 'Mindset' is a clever way to get away with sending nothing concrete or useful but insisting (since anyone can write about mindset) that it's important.

    I can sum up motivation in one sentence: if you want it, go get it.

    It's different with guys like Chris at GoodLookingLoser – he actually gives you step-by-step instructions to get stuff done (I'm not a 'gaming women' person, but if I was I'd read the shit out of Chris' stuff – he delivers ACTIONABLE content).

    Your posts on business lessons and reasons to move to Asia are okay, but your blog still lacks real info. Victor could have written half the stuff you've written.

    I don't want to say this, but it's got to be said. EVERYBODY is publishing motivational posts. EVERYBODY is listing top five/ten reasons for moving to Asia or top business lessons from Richard Branson (that's the bullshit entrepreneur.com is built upon).

    But what about a post on HOW EXACTLY to get a passport and visa to Asia? A post on HOW EXACTLY to apply a SPECIFIC marketing or cost cutting strategy? A post on HOW EXACTLY to perform certain weight exercises (at what times? how long?) and what not to do? A post on HOW EXACTLY to meet and attract a foreign girl properly without creeping her out (specific dating strategies that WORK)?

    I may not need all your information, but motivation and life philosophy should be a small part of what you do. At this time, you and Victor seem to be cut from the same cloth (narcotics aside, he DID provide a specific recipe for using Kratom).

    Your iron triangle post (How to gain 20lbs of lean muscle naturally) is EXACTLY the type of stuff I want to read – I don't need motivation to get fit, I need to actually get fit by PUTTING YOUR SPECIFIC TO-THE-LETTER INSTRUCTIONS IN PLACE.

    HOW EXACTLY do readers ultimately benefit now from your blog? You say you don't need the money from blogging, so why are you pandering to useless bullshit when you could give guys what they actually NEED, whether they ask for it or not.

    I'm disappointed. You could actually attract more readers with technical and mind blowing info – with all the 'motivation' and 'principles' and 'business/life lessons' from 10 million other blogs, why the fuck would yours stand out?

    Sorry, G. I do admire you greatly – you've succeeded more than 99% of people. But really, is this all you can do?

  34. Hi G,

    Although I like your blog, I might have to pick a bone with you on this one.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not really a fan anymore of B & D – but as you said that Victor is now writing empty motivational pieces rather than solid how-to content, I'm wondering with your recent posts, how are you any different?

    Although I have not followed Victor blindly, he has influenced me in many ways. But douchebaggery aside, the real reason I stopped visiting his blog was because his posts got BORING. He once mentioned that his recent posts are being geared towards the “I want motivation” crowd, since that's where he's getting responses.

    I'm sick of motivational posts altogether. How many times does a reader need to be reminded that they've only got one life, or that there are battles ahead, or that they have to seize the day etc. etc. ? I know from a business perspective you give people what they want – motivation for people who read it again and again, but aren't probably going to succeed anyway because that's all they're doing – reading motivation.

    And don't tell me it's all about mindset – that's bullshit. 'Mindset' is a clever way to get away with sending nothing concrete or useful but insisting (since anyone can write about mindset) that it's important.

    I can sum up motivation in one sentence: if you want it, go get it.

    It's different with guys like Chris at GoodLookingLoser – he actually gives you step-by-step instructions to get stuff done (I'm not a 'gaming women' person, but if I was I'd read the shit out of Chris' stuff – he delivers ACTIONABLE content).

    Your posts on business lessons and reasons to move to Asia are okay, but your blog still lacks real info. Victor could have written half the stuff you've written.

    I don't want to say this, but it's got to be said. EVERYBODY is publishing motivational posts. EVERYBODY is listing top five/ten reasons for moving to Asia or top business lessons from Richard Branson (that's the bullshit entrepreneur.com is built upon).

    But what about a post on HOW EXACTLY to get a passport and visa to Asia? A post on HOW EXACTLY to apply a SPECIFIC marketing or cost cutting strategy? A post on HOW EXACTLY to perform certain weight exercises (at what times? how long?) and what not to do? A post on HOW EXACTLY to meet and attract a foreign girl properly without creeping her out (specific dating strategies that WORK)?

    I may not need all your information, but motivation and life philosophy should be a small part of what you do. At this time, you and Victor seem to be cut from the same cloth (narcotics aside, he DID provide a specific recipe for using Kratom).

    Your iron triangle post (How to gain 20lbs of lean muscle naturally) is EXACTLY the type of stuff I want to read – I don't need motivation to get fit, I need to actually get fit by PUTTING YOUR SPECIFIC TO-THE-LETTER INSTRUCTIONS IN PLACE.

    HOW EXACTLY do readers ultimately benefit now from your blog? You say you don't need the money from blogging, so why are you pandering to useless bullshit when you could give guys what they actually NEED, whether they ask for it or not.

    I'm disappointed. You could actually attract more readers with technical and mind blowing info – with all the 'motivation' and 'principles' and 'business/life lessons' from 10 million other blogs, why the fuck would yours stand out?

    Sorry, G. I do admire you greatly – you've succeeded more than 99% of people. But really, is this all you can do?

  35. KSS,

    Thanks for the feedback. It's always good to hear what people are thinking when reading.

    I'd answer by saying this – 6 posts I can count at a quick glance are what I would call “motivational” – eg offer no specific information on how to apply any of what I have written and are just words to attempt to fire people up. That's 10% (I'd say that's a small part of what I do) of the total posts written, whereas VP writes virtually nothing but this kind of post.

    Secondly I'd say that while you as a reader do have certain needs and wants from articles, there are other readers out there who need different things. I try to write a balance of posts to cater to all needs, and some of the emails and feedback I have recieved on the “motivational” posts is quite positive. As long as someone is benefiting from them, I will keep writing them.

    With regards exactitude and how to articles, I see your point. It's difficult to tell someone how EXACTLY to do something unless you know exactly what it is they as an individual want to do. For example, I could write a post on how exactly to move to Indonesia, but what if the reader wants to move to Thailand or China? I'm not sure I can cater to all of these information requests and a quick google search will tell anyone who's interested how to get a visa.

    How exactly do readers ultimately benefit is something I can only answer in a few cases, eg in positive emails and comments I have recieved from people saying they're inspired and have decided to make changes in their lives.

  36. KSS,

    Thanks for the feedback. It's always good to hear what people are thinking when reading.

    I'd answer by saying this – 6 posts I can count at a quick glance are what I would call “motivational” – eg offer no specific information on how to apply any of what I have written and are just words to attempt to fire people up. That's 10% (I'd say that's a small part of what I do) of the total posts written, whereas VP writes virtually nothing but this kind of post.

    Secondly I'd say that while you as a reader do have certain needs and wants from articles, there are other readers out there who need different things. I try to write a balance of posts to cater to all needs, and some of the emails and feedback I have recieved on the “motivational” posts is quite positive. As long as someone is benefiting from them, I will keep writing them.

    With regards exactitude and how to articles, I see your point. It's difficult to tell someone how EXACTLY to do something unless you know exactly what it is they as an individual want to do. For example, I could write a post on how exactly to move to Indonesia, but what if the reader wants to move to Thailand or China? I'm not sure I can cater to all of these information requests and a quick google search will tell anyone who's interested how to get a visa.

    How exactly do readers ultimately benefit is something I can only answer in a few cases, eg in positive emails and comments I have recieved from people saying they're inspired and have decided to make changes in their lives.

  37. I tried to drop a little advice after an article I read and he laughed and called me a ****** dummy. That surprised me and turned me right off. Guys an asshole period.

  38. I tried to drop a little advice after an article I read and he laughed and called me a ****** dummy. That surprised me and turned me right off. Guys an asshole period.

  39. I actually remember reading that comment where he insulted you or else someone else with the same jibe.

    Like I said, some people just can't handle success and use it to make themselves feel superior to others (which is ultimately stemmed from feeling insecure).

    Thanks for commenting.

  40. I actually remember reading that comment where he insulted you or else someone else with the same jibe.

    Like I said, some people just can't handle success and use it to make themselves feel superior to others (which is ultimately stemmed from feeling insecure).

    Thanks for commenting.

  41. I'm not saying 10k is chump change period. I'm saying it's chump change in the grand scheme of life. I'd take that kind of boasting from Donald Trump who probably eats 10k at breakfast, but 10k a month is nothing to get big headed about. It's decent money for sure and most guys would be glad of it, but when you meet truely successful people, it's small time.

    About 15k a month, it's true and can be easily verified by researching oil and gas salries in Aus. To be truthful, that's the low end. A lot of dudes are creaming me in earnings and I'm at the bottom end of the food chain. Things will climb from here as I expand my operations online and in other ventures I have lined up.

    Thanks for commenting and sorry this comment took so long to approve, it seemed to go into spam for some reason.

  42. I'm not saying 10k is chump change period. I'm saying it's chump change in the grand scheme of life. I'd take that kind of boasting from Donald Trump who probably eats 10k at breakfast, but 10k a month is nothing to get big headed about. It's decent money for sure and most guys would be glad of it, but when you meet truely successful people, it's small time.

    About 15k a month, it's true and can be easily verified by researching oil and gas salries in Aus. To be truthful, that's the low end. A lot of dudes are creaming me in earnings and I'm at the bottom end of the food chain. Things will climb from here as I expand my operations online and in other ventures I have lined up.

    Thanks for commenting and sorry this comment took so long to approve, it seemed to go into spam for some reason.

  43. G,

    Insightful article.

    However, I disagree with a few of the things you've mentioned and would be keen to hear your thoughts.

    1) I think his philosophy is to build up a business with functional, lucrative products and then let it run on “auto pilot” while he works on other ventures. This probably explains his “filler” posts.

    2) The Victor Pride nom de plume may just be a marketing tactic to develop that brand…it is catchy and is easier to remember than many non-generic names out there. This is similar to “John Doe” body building.

    3) I do believe you can judge a person's character from seeing their eyes and from seeing expressions while speaking. I've seen his youtube videos and I've only perceived the guy as straightforward. The concept of him being substantially dishonest didn't reveal itself in his mannerisms.

    I, however, agree that the articles have lost a great degree of substance. Also, the fact that his squeeze page for his “natural BB” book has a picture of him as a non-natural is immediately suspicious.

    What are your thoughts on 1) Mike Danger (clearly a smart guy but something makes me very wary of him) and 2) Ramit Sethi (Clearly affluence-desiring but seems to provide a lot of value)?

    Ultimately, when one becomes an internet marketer, I don't know, quite frankly, if it is possible to maximize profits while staying fully truthful. I will seek to do so though.

  44. G,

    Insightful article.

    However, I disagree with a few of the things you've mentioned and would be keen to hear your thoughts.

    1) I think his philosophy is to build up a business with functional, lucrative products and then let it run on “auto pilot” while he works on other ventures. This probably explains his “filler” posts.

    2) The Victor Pride nom de plume may just be a marketing tactic to develop that brand…it is catchy and is easier to remember than many non-generic names out there. This is similar to “John Doe” body building.

    3) I do believe you can judge a person's character from seeing their eyes and from seeing expressions while speaking. I've seen his youtube videos and I've only perceived the guy as straightforward. The concept of him being substantially dishonest didn't reveal itself in his mannerisms.

    I, however, agree that the articles have lost a great degree of substance. Also, the fact that his squeeze page for his “natural BB” book has a picture of him as a non-natural is immediately suspicious.

    What are your thoughts on 1) Mike Danger (clearly a smart guy but something makes me very wary of him) and 2) Ramit Sethi (Clearly affluence-desiring but seems to provide a lot of value)?

    Ultimately, when one becomes an internet marketer, I don't know, quite frankly, if it is possible to maximize profits while staying fully truthful. I will seek to do so though.

  45. Anon,

    1) You may be right on point 1. That's probably his general philosophy for making money.

    2) This is a nice after effect but i think he initially did it because he knew he was saying controversial, ignorant shit and didn't want to damage his reputation as an individual. After realizing he had a whole army of mindless followers who would jump to defend him, he came out from beind the mask.I believe he actually explained his name once, Victor for Victorious, Pride for having won over the system, if memory serves me correct.

    3) Never seen his youtube videos, but I still believe he's an asshat who isn't telling the whole story. I'd say on a person to person level he'd be pretty much straightforward as you say, but if someone is a confirmed racist, xenophobic asshole, is it really such a stretch to think they might be dishonest?

    If by Mike Danger you mean Mike from Danger and Play I agree he is clearly a very intelligent guy, but another who falls into the “bro” category of lemmings who think they're being different by all thinking pretty much the same thing about the same issues (women, race, society). The truth is none of them have an original thought in their heads, hence i withdrew from the community. Ramit Sethi I have never heard of but I'll look him up.

    Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts!

  46. Anon,

    1) You may be right on point 1. That's probably his general philosophy for making money.

    2) This is a nice after effect but i think he initially did it because he knew he was saying controversial, ignorant shit and didn't want to damage his reputation as an individual. After realizing he had a whole army of mindless followers who would jump to defend him, he came out from beind the mask.I believe he actually explained his name once, Victor for Victorious, Pride for having won over the system, if memory serves me correct.

    3) Never seen his youtube videos, but I still believe he's an asshat who isn't telling the whole story. I'd say on a person to person level he'd be pretty much straightforward as you say, but if someone is a confirmed racist, xenophobic asshole, is it really such a stretch to think they might be dishonest?

    If by Mike Danger you mean Mike from Danger and Play I agree he is clearly a very intelligent guy, but another who falls into the “bro” category of lemmings who think they're being different by all thinking pretty much the same thing about the same issues (women, race, society). The truth is none of them have an original thought in their heads, hence i withdrew from the community. Ramit Sethi I have never heard of but I'll look him up.

    Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts!

  47. Thanks. Just started reading VP 2-3 months ago. And surprisingly I've only read 2-3 posts. Enjoy his podcasts though.

    If I hadn't found VP I wouldn't have found WallstreetPlayboys (not for the feint hearted but 100% actionable advice) and Danger and Play which have been life changers.

    But Victor Pride unlike Mike from D&P is a douche. I'm not sure he has a lot to be arrogant about. And like you said telling young men to jump on the juice or narcotics is absolutely ridiculous.

    Interested to read your posts – will browse through your site thanks P.D

  48. Thanks. Just started reading VP 2-3 months ago. And surprisingly I've only read 2-3 posts. Enjoy his podcasts though.

    If I hadn't found VP I wouldn't have found WallstreetPlayboys (not for the feint hearted but 100% actionable advice) and Danger and Play which have been life changers.

    But Victor Pride unlike Mike from D&P is a douche. I'm not sure he has a lot to be arrogant about. And like you said telling young men to jump on the juice or narcotics is absolutely ridiculous.

    Interested to read your posts – will browse through your site thanks P.D

  49. I've been on Wall Street Playboys. It didn't grip me at first but I will check it out again.

    I think Mike from D&P is an extremely smart dude, I was an avid reader but I stopped going on there as he jumped to VPs defense and asked me to leave the community after reading this article. That showed me he isn't the guy I thought he was. I also directly asked him does he endorse racism and to come out on his position in front of his readers, and he completely dodged the question. I'll stand for anti-feminism, anti liberal economics, anti-welfare, but one thing I will not stand for is racism.

  50. I've been on Wall Street Playboys. It didn't grip me at first but I will check it out again.

    I think Mike from D&P is an extremely smart dude, I was an avid reader but I stopped going on there as he jumped to VPs defense and asked me to leave the community after reading this article. That showed me he isn't the guy I thought he was. I also directly asked him does he endorse racism and to come out on his position in front of his readers, and he completely dodged the question. I'll stand for anti-feminism, anti liberal economics, anti-welfare, but one thing I will not stand for is racism.

  51. So exactly WHERE did Victor make those “racist” comments? I agree he's douchey and somewhat hypocritical, but not enough to pen an article about it. How do we know YOU don't have an agenda you are trying to push? How do we know if half of these “Anonymous” posts that are agreeing with you and responding to you aren't YOU?

  52. So exactly WHERE did Victor make those “racist” comments? I agree he's douchey and somewhat hypocritical, but not enough to pen an article about it. How do we know YOU don't have an agenda you are trying to push? How do we know if half of these “Anonymous” posts that are agreeing with you and responding to you aren't YOU?

  53. Anon,

    Podcast #2.

    “Not enough to pen an article about” – I pen articles about whatever I want, whenever I want.

    “How do we know these comments aren't you” – You don't, but since you posted as Anonymous doesn't it make sense others might too? lol

  54. Anon,

    Podcast #2.

    “Not enough to pen an article about” – I pen articles about whatever I want, whenever I want.

    “How do we know these comments aren't you” – You don't, but since you posted as Anonymous doesn't it make sense others might too? lol

  55. Wow so you go out of you way to slander someone as “racist” but when they ask for details you are al of a sudden very terse….

    You obviously want to be where Victor Pride/ Mike Danger/ Good looking loser are.

    Word of advice. Taking shots at bloggers who are more successful than you are isn't going to get you where you need to be. You are the first to call out empty content, but your articles are very generic. Did you even write most of them? You don't seem to have a strong voice.
    I

    Maybe you should just stick to your day job.

  56. Wow so you go out of you way to slander someone as “racist” but when they ask for details you are al of a sudden very terse….

    You obviously want to be where Victor Pride/ Mike Danger/ Good looking loser are.

    Word of advice. Taking shots at bloggers who are more successful than you are isn't going to get you where you need to be. You are the first to call out empty content, but your articles are very generic. Did you even write most of them? You don't seem to have a strong voice.
    I

    Maybe you should just stick to your day job.

  57. Yawn…

    Heard this accusation before. It is what it is.

    Slander is defined as a false accusation damaging someones reputation. It's therefore not slander if it's true. Maybe you should pick up a dictionary.

    Maybe I should stick to my day job? haha, thanks for the career advice buddy, I have no plans of leaving it. That's where the real money and success is at 🙂 I like the competition.

  58. Yawn…

    Heard this accusation before. It is what it is.

    Slander is defined as a false accusation damaging someones reputation. It's therefore not slander if it's true. Maybe you should pick up a dictionary.

    Maybe I should stick to my day job? haha, thanks for the career advice buddy, I have no plans of leaving it. That's where the real money and success is at 🙂 I like the competition.

  59. G-Freedom.

    Excellent article. I could not agree more. I read his blog for about a week and then gave up. I used to read D&P as well and a few others but realize that most of it is the same stuff. Making money off of young millennials who can't find their way. Look at some of the post counts of certain individuals on these sites. At some point, these young men have to get off of there ass and “DO SOMETHING” rather than waste time on a blog. Unplug once in awhile.

    There is one thing that is also missing from Victor's site, and for most of those sites….

    TESTIMONIALS.

    Isn't that what you want to see? I would.

    If Victor is “helping so many people” why are there not TESTIMONIALS on his site?

    Lastly, I can only take so much of “I'm awesome and you are a worthless wage slave” or whatever crap he is peddling.

    I would also agree with you 1000% about not letting the readers know his identity. Can't trust a man who can't show his face.

    Good stuff.

    I will come here more often.

  60. G-Freedom.

    Excellent article. I could not agree more. I read his blog for about a week and then gave up. I used to read D&P as well and a few others but realize that most of it is the same stuff. Making money off of young millennials who can't find their way. Look at some of the post counts of certain individuals on these sites. At some point, these young men have to get off of there ass and “DO SOMETHING” rather than waste time on a blog. Unplug once in awhile.

    There is one thing that is also missing from Victor's site, and for most of those sites….

    TESTIMONIALS.

    Isn't that what you want to see? I would.

    If Victor is “helping so many people” why are there not TESTIMONIALS on his site?

    Lastly, I can only take so much of “I'm awesome and you are a worthless wage slave” or whatever crap he is peddling.

    I would also agree with you 1000% about not letting the readers know his identity. Can't trust a man who can't show his face.

    Good stuff.

    I will come here more often.

  61. Thank you for this post, Gavin. I thought I was the only one that had an alarm going off in my head at some of the things that Victor would say in his posts. I could not agree with you more. A lot of his older material is good, but the newer write-ups irritate me all the time. If I hear the phrases “wage-slave,” “quit your job,” or “college is a scam” one more time, I will go insane. Glad to be on the same page as someone who doesn't think B&D isn't all it's cracked up to be.

  62. Thank you for this post, Gavin. I thought I was the only one that had an alarm going off in my head at some of the things that Victor would say in his posts. I could not agree with you more. A lot of his older material is good, but the newer write-ups irritate me all the time. If I hear the phrases “wage-slave,” “quit your job,” or “college is a scam” one more time, I will go insane. Glad to be on the same page as someone who doesn't think B&D isn't all it's cracked up to be.

  63. I stumbled across Vicotr's website last week. I read one of his articles, and found it to be quite entertaining. I laughed at his ideologies, but was in no way inclined to follow him in any way. He makes valid points here and there; however, he's flawed in his overall approach to becoming a “Free man”.

  64. I stumbled across Vicotr's website last week. I read one of his articles, and found it to be quite entertaining. I laughed at his ideologies, but was in no way inclined to follow him in any way. He makes valid points here and there; however, he's flawed in his overall approach to becoming a “Free man”.

  65. You are right on the money G-freedom. His ego is out of control. He thinks hes hard because he makes 10k a mo? That aint jack… I don't know if you guys followed the latest post… There is some cat on there named Italian G. Dude lit them all up! Sneak attack out of no-where… Did anyone catch that? It was only up for about 8HRS… OMG!!! Italian G is on the next level… he blew those cats up. Who saw that? To boot he sniped on Vic blog and came out with his own… Its actually alright. At least he has some actual business tips. http://www.alphaunderground.net/ Ya… looked like Italian G or Anthony Momentum had them cats scared sh@tless. He posted what V.P. really made and Vic & his little cronies went wild… Italian G was just to cool for school & honestly made them all look stupid…. That Italian G acts all funny, but when they threw some hate his way he honestly curbed stomped them… Hes clever like Eminem man…

    The site aint what it sounds like. The name pays honor to one of his dead friends who committed suicide when theys was young. I like Italian G man. Sounds like a wise dude. He posted his ATM statements and called them all out. Dude is HARD… I remember yo ass G.F. You posted some good stuff to man. I moved on as well… Hell that's how I found this post! HA HA HA Ya'll stay cool and eat some steaks. LOL what an idiot. This is a good blog as well. I'll be honest, Where I'm from we don't have no role models… Just the bad kind. I'm 22 & I am gonna get out of the hood for I get killed. These sites give me inspiration and I might not be colledge educated like ya'll, But I learn… I also learned Victor Pride is an arrogant punk. He thinks he's a god. There is only one God my broth's and it sure is hell ain't him.

    Jasper J

  66. You are right on the money G-freedom. His ego is out of control. He thinks hes hard because he makes 10k a mo? That aint jack… I don't know if you guys followed the latest post… There is some cat on there named Italian G. Dude lit them all up! Sneak attack out of no-where… Did anyone catch that? It was only up for about 8HRS… OMG!!! Italian G is on the next level… he blew those cats up. Who saw that? To boot he sniped on Vic blog and came out with his own… Its actually alright. At least he has some actual business tips. http://www.alphaunderground.net/ Ya… looked like Italian G or Anthony Momentum had them cats scared sh@tless. He posted what V.P. really made and Vic & his little cronies went wild… Italian G was just to cool for school & honestly made them all look stupid…. That Italian G acts all funny, but when they threw some hate his way he honestly curbed stomped them… Hes clever like Eminem man…

    The site aint what it sounds like. The name pays honor to one of his dead friends who committed suicide when theys was young. I like Italian G man. Sounds like a wise dude. He posted his ATM statements and called them all out. Dude is HARD… I remember yo ass G.F. You posted some good stuff to man. I moved on as well… Hell that's how I found this post! HA HA HA Ya'll stay cool and eat some steaks. LOL what an idiot. This is a good blog as well. I'll be honest, Where I'm from we don't have no role models… Just the bad kind. I'm 22 & I am gonna get out of the hood for I get killed. These sites give me inspiration and I might not be colledge educated like ya'll, But I learn… I also learned Victor Pride is an arrogant punk. He thinks he's a god. There is only one God my broth's and it sure is hell ain't him.

    Jasper J

  67. Jasper,

    Thanks for commenting. Victor is a douche no doubt, but I've said my piece and I'm not saying anymore. In the end the truth will come out and he'll be relegated to the dustbin of history.

    Anyway, I do remember Italian G and I liked his style and insightful comments. I also checked out his site and it's looking good so far. Can you tell me how much he said Victor makes and how exactly would he know that information anyway?

    I'm not college educated either Jasper. I come from Northern Ireland which was a fucking war zone when I grew up. Glad I left it. you can do the same!

    Thanks for reading and taking the time to comment,
    G

  68. Jasper,

    Thanks for commenting. Victor is a douche no doubt, but I've said my piece and I'm not saying anymore. In the end the truth will come out and he'll be relegated to the dustbin of history.

    Anyway, I do remember Italian G and I liked his style and insightful comments. I also checked out his site and it's looking good so far. Can you tell me how much he said Victor makes and how exactly would he know that information anyway?

    I'm not college educated either Jasper. I come from Northern Ireland which was a fucking war zone when I grew up. Glad I left it. you can do the same!

    Thanks for reading and taking the time to comment,
    G

  69. Hey G-Freedom… oh no doubt. I do know a little about the conflicts in Ireland. A little funny a brotha from the south would. But I do. Yeah Italian G posted this link and Ive been checking out sites like crazy. It's funny to put FB or sites like http://www.fubu.com/ In there. Just interesting http://www.w3snoop.com/ Thanks for your encouragement. How did you deal with leaving all your peoples behind? That's what's hard for me man, but I have to. When you grow up in a predominately black area I can't even tell you what an alien I feel like when I go to parts of “white world”. I just can't handle the attitude of my area. If I stay here I will be a blue collar worker and poor. They never tell you how to adjust to all the mannerisms and social rules whites have. Its like learning another language… BUT you see the houses them folks have? Then you come to my block. I aint haven it. I'm having to teach myself to become literate. I find myself typing like we speak in the hood sometimes and I'm trying so hard to break it.Where do you live now G freedom?

  70. Hey G-Freedom… oh no doubt. I do know a little about the conflicts in Ireland. A little funny a brotha from the south would. But I do. Yeah Italian G posted this link and Ive been checking out sites like crazy. It's funny to put FB or sites like http://www.fubu.com/ In there. Just interesting http://www.w3snoop.com/ Thanks for your encouragement. How did you deal with leaving all your peoples behind? That's what's hard for me man, but I have to. When you grow up in a predominately black area I can't even tell you what an alien I feel like when I go to parts of “white world”. I just can't handle the attitude of my area. If I stay here I will be a blue collar worker and poor. They never tell you how to adjust to all the mannerisms and social rules whites have. Its like learning another language… BUT you see the houses them folks have? Then you come to my block. I aint haven it. I'm having to teach myself to become literate. I find myself typing like we speak in the hood sometimes and I'm trying so hard to break it.Where do you live now G freedom?

  71. Jasper,

    I know how you feel. When I first moved to Asia as a white man I was totally confused. I got stared at, pointed at, laughed at, all kinds of creepy shit. However, I got used to it. I think you'll find if you dress smart and use manners like just regular please and thankyou, like any gentleman, any race of people will give you respect.

    Good that you have ambition. Use that! Just workout, read books, eat clean and develop your plan for getting the hell out of there. Honestly, leaving my family and friends was hard, but I got used to it and they accepted it was for the best. The people who really have your back will understand and be happy for you, the others you just have to cut 'em loose.

    I now live in Indonesia, but I'll be moving soon to The Philippines with my wife. I recommend it.

  72. Jasper,

    I know how you feel. When I first moved to Asia as a white man I was totally confused. I got stared at, pointed at, laughed at, all kinds of creepy shit. However, I got used to it. I think you'll find if you dress smart and use manners like just regular please and thankyou, like any gentleman, any race of people will give you respect.

    Good that you have ambition. Use that! Just workout, read books, eat clean and develop your plan for getting the hell out of there. Honestly, leaving my family and friends was hard, but I got used to it and they accepted it was for the best. The people who really have your back will understand and be happy for you, the others you just have to cut 'em loose.

    I now live in Indonesia, but I'll be moving soon to The Philippines with my wife. I recommend it.

  73. I agree and disagree with you.

    What people miss is that, like you said, he's just a human being like any of us, and not a demigod as he – and his readers – clearly believe.

    This being said, he has good and bad qualities like anyone. Thanks to him I have changed my mind over what I believe can and cannot be achieved (I've read The Millionaire Fastlane thanks to him too. Great book), but he does have a lot of prejudices (to black people and independent women, just to quote two) that are not and, definitely, won't be doing him any good in the future.

    Also, I’ve been taking Kratom for a while and must say that I don’t feel like it is addictive -I use it 2-3 times a week, since it gives me constipation if I use it more often.

    On the other hand, I think you should give more proof when you intend to criticize someone. You’ll find it’s not good for your soul to harm others unfairly (I’ve done it more times than I can count – in the real life – and I know for a fact that these things are toxic to yourself), and I think that some of your points (like the one on kratom) have no truth to them.

    Will definitely keep checking you blog though. You have something to say and aren’t afraid to say it. Keep doing it.

    (excuse my bad English, by the way. Not a native speaker)

  74. I agree and disagree with you.

    What people miss is that, like you said, he's just a human being like any of us, and not a demigod as he – and his readers – clearly believe.

    This being said, he has good and bad qualities like anyone. Thanks to him I have changed my mind over what I believe can and cannot be achieved (I've read The Millionaire Fastlane thanks to him too. Great book), but he does have a lot of prejudices (to black people and independent women, just to quote two) that are not and, definitely, won't be doing him any good in the future.

    Also, I’ve been taking Kratom for a while and must say that I don’t feel like it is addictive -I use it 2-3 times a week, since it gives me constipation if I use it more often.

    On the other hand, I think you should give more proof when you intend to criticize someone. You’ll find it’s not good for your soul to harm others unfairly (I’ve done it more times than I can count – in the real life – and I know for a fact that these things are toxic to yourself), and I think that some of your points (like the one on kratom) have no truth to them.

    Will definitely keep checking you blog though. You have something to say and aren’t afraid to say it. Keep doing it.

    (excuse my bad English, by the way. Not a native speaker)

  75. I wonder now if “Victor Pride” really is entirely fictional, a character created by an IM mastermind, and the photos of him are actually a model. I'm now imagining a room full of staff in a dingy office somewhere churning out content and running the back end of the business under the name of VP.

  76. I wonder now if “Victor Pride” really is entirely fictional, a character created by an IM mastermind, and the photos of him are actually a model. I'm now imagining a room full of staff in a dingy office somewhere churning out content and running the back end of the business under the name of VP.

  77. David,

    You never know! It's unlikely since he has met with several other bloggers and posted photos etc, but internet marketing is a tricky thing. I personally think he's a real guy, but nothing would surprise me online.

  78. David,

    You never know! It's unlikely since he has met with several other bloggers and posted photos etc, but internet marketing is a tricky thing. I personally think he's a real guy, but nothing would surprise me online.

  79. Regarding point 1, I've been saying that for over a year. His blog used to kick ass. Ive commented on his blog a few times, but they all get deleted.

  80. Regarding point 1, I've been saying that for over a year. His blog used to kick ass. Ive commented on his blog a few times, but they all get deleted.

  81. Dude, amazing post, thank you for writing this.

    It amazes me every day there are people out there who buy into the B&D and Victor Pride bullshit, but I guess it's true there's a sucker born every minute. It makes sense though, because B&D's target market is young, gullible, inexperienced, and I imagine frail, men who dream of 'instant riches' and a 'spartan body.'

    The reason Victor's posts have turned into the self-promotional garbage is because he has to rely on them to fuel his lifestyle. He has to get more people to sign up for Badnet. Perhaps even Victor realizes his products are trash. You can literally find the same or better information on any bodybuilding forum.

    Like you, the more I learned about Victor, the more turned off I was by him. It's clear he's not well-educated, and not even in the academic sense. He's simply ignorant of anything that goes against his vastly limited personal beliefs. This is a guy who has to rely on drugs like modafinil and roids to achieve any semblance of success. He then turns around and 'advises' other men on his secret formula, all while receiving a nice commission for selling them the same dangerous substances.

    Bold and Determined is a scam, and Victor Pride is a fraud.

  82. Dude, amazing post, thank you for writing this.

    It amazes me every day there are people out there who buy into the B&D and Victor Pride bullshit, but I guess it's true there's a sucker born every minute. It makes sense though, because B&D's target market is young, gullible, inexperienced, and I imagine frail, men who dream of 'instant riches' and a 'spartan body.'

    The reason Victor's posts have turned into the self-promotional garbage is because he has to rely on them to fuel his lifestyle. He has to get more people to sign up for Badnet. Perhaps even Victor realizes his products are trash. You can literally find the same or better information on any bodybuilding forum.

    Like you, the more I learned about Victor, the more turned off I was by him. It's clear he's not well-educated, and not even in the academic sense. He's simply ignorant of anything that goes against his vastly limited personal beliefs. This is a guy who has to rely on drugs like modafinil and roids to achieve any semblance of success. He then turns around and 'advises' other men on his secret formula, all while receiving a nice commission for selling them the same dangerous substances.

    Bold and Determined is a scam, and Victor Pride is a fraud.

  83. I fully agree with your points. I used to enjoy his blog back in the day when they had some real substance. I have to give him credit for some of the biggest 'kick-in-the-ass' moments that his posts gave me back then. But nowadays, it is mostly motivational drivel.

    I also highly question his business model. He claims to make big money while sleeping. But it will all come to a point where the cash flow will gradually decrease because there is only so much population in this world that he can sell his e-books to, and furthermore most stuff get pirated anyways. And there is only so much population in this world that will buy the stuff he promotes where he gets his commission from. Unless he comes out and recommend a new product every now and then, his online 'empire' cannot simply sustain in the long run.

    I agree with the points mentioned in this forum about Victor self-rationalising himself. I see this all the time in his posts. Some are even contradictory to his core beliefs and principles which were the blue-print that made B&D such a unique blog in the first place. The most obvious point is his steroids use. Victor used to be all natural and was extremely proud of it. He justified it. Then one day, Victor decided to switch to drugs for his muscle gains. He justified it again. Another point is his swearing by the steak & eggs diet. He wrote a long post about how he ate nothing but steak & eggs all day long and that everything else was useless. He even went as far as ditching vegetables completely and drawing comparisons between vegetarians and cows. In one of his latest posts, he promotes juicing and broccolli as part of a BB'ing diet. What the f…? What's next? Is he going to marry his Thai girlfriend (who i feel sorry for) one day, and justify it later on that a man needs to marry so he can spread his seeds and pass down a generation of little 'Prides'? I don't know about you but I can see it coming. Lol.

    • I see your points, but to defend Victor Pride, people’s beliefs evolve over time. We feel one way and then over time our experiences convince us of a different view. Victor explains in a recent YouTube video that he used to eat low-carb but found that he would get brain fog, so now he eats carbs and has lots of vegetables in his diet. The same applies with steroids.

  84. I fully agree with your points. I used to enjoy his blog back in the day when they had some real substance. I have to give him credit for some of the biggest 'kick-in-the-ass' moments that his posts gave me back then. But nowadays, it is mostly motivational drivel.

    I also highly question his business model. He claims to make big money while sleeping. But it will all come to a point where the cash flow will gradually decrease because there is only so much population in this world that he can sell his e-books to, and furthermore most stuff get pirated anyways. And there is only so much population in this world that will buy the stuff he promotes where he gets his commission from. Unless he comes out and recommend a new product every now and then, his online 'empire' cannot simply sustain in the long run.

    I agree with the points mentioned in this forum about Victor self-rationalising himself. I see this all the time in his posts. Some are even contradictory to his core beliefs and principles which were the blue-print that made B&D such a unique blog in the first place. The most obvious point is his steroids use. Victor used to be all natural and was extremely proud of it. He justified it. Then one day, Victor decided to switch to drugs for his muscle gains. He justified it again. Another point is his swearing by the steak & eggs diet. He wrote a long post about how he ate nothing but steak & eggs all day long and that everything else was useless. He even went as far as ditching vegetables completely and drawing comparisons between vegetarians and cows. In one of his latest posts, he promotes juicing and broccolli as part of a BB'ing diet. What the f…? What's next? Is he going to marry his Thai girlfriend (who i feel sorry for) one day, and justify it later on that a man needs to marry so he can spread his seeds and pass down a generation of little 'Prides'? I don't know about you but I can see it coming. Lol.

    • I see your points, but to defend Victor Pride, people’s beliefs evolve over time. We feel one way and then over time our experiences convince us of a different view. Victor explains in a recent YouTube video that he used to eat low-carb but found that he would get brain fog, so now he eats carbs and has lots of vegetables in his diet. The same applies with steroids.

  85. I wouldn't go as far as saying he is a complete fraud, but he is deffo full of shit.

    Guys something is up with the comments on this post – there are several comments which aren't appearing here in the feed. I don't know what is going on but I'll try to work on it.

  86. I wouldn't go as far as saying he is a complete fraud, but he is deffo full of shit.

    Guys something is up with the comments on this post – there are several comments which aren't appearing here in the feed. I don't know what is going on but I'll try to work on it.

  87. I remember ol' 'Uncle Vic' from before B&D even existed. Going back maybe 4 or 5 years ago he had an account on the bodybuilding.com forums. I remember him specifically because he made a thread entitled 'Ask a white guy living in China anything' and the thread grew huge and went on for weeks(it has long since been deleted). He had apparently just begun his expat life and was working in China as an English teacher. Although the VP persona hadn't yet been fully developed at that time, the posts still had his trademark condescending know-it-all tone. I forgot about him after the thread died, then some months later he posted a thread linking to 'his new blog.' I was likely one of the very first visitors to B&D actually, but if memory serves it wasn't called B&D yet (just some dude's blog) and he was actually using his real name, and showing his face openly.

    G-Freedom, you'll be interested to know that at that particular stage in the Evolution of The Man They Call Vic, he was actually all about Asian women and mouthed off through the entire thread about how all white women are degenerate sluts, and that part of his reasoning for even going to Asia in the first place had been to find a wife. He went into great detail about how he'd found some local Chinese girl who was a virgin, and that he had gone ahead and done the deed on the pretext of a marriage promise, but was still riding it out to decide if he'd go through with. Post after post of him talking about this poor girl (whose life and reputation he certainly destroyed) like a dog, honestly. 'She mops the floors and cleans the fuckin' apartment like a good bitch, while i kick back and watch a fucking Rocky and Rambo marathon! Marry an Asian girl or you're a fucking idiot! And make sure she's an 18 year old virgin like my bitch!' Apparently shortly after that he realized that he in fact doesn't agree with marrying Asians, so I suppose that means the rest of us are slightly less loser-ish now for not running straight to China to get married as per his previous official alpha position on the matter.

  88. I remember ol' 'Uncle Vic' from before B&D even existed. Going back maybe 4 or 5 years ago he had an account on the bodybuilding.com forums. I remember him specifically because he made a thread entitled 'Ask a white guy living in China anything' and the thread grew huge and went on for weeks(it has long since been deleted). He had apparently just begun his expat life and was working in China as an English teacher. Although the VP persona hadn't yet been fully developed at that time, the posts still had his trademark condescending know-it-all tone. I forgot about him after the thread died, then some months later he posted a thread linking to 'his new blog.' I was likely one of the very first visitors to B&D actually, but if memory serves it wasn't called B&D yet (just some dude's blog) and he was actually using his real name, and showing his face openly.

    G-Freedom, you'll be interested to know that at that particular stage in the Evolution of The Man They Call Vic, he was actually all about Asian women and mouthed off through the entire thread about how all white women are degenerate sluts, and that part of his reasoning for even going to Asia in the first place had been to find a wife. He went into great detail about how he'd found some local Chinese girl who was a virgin, and that he had gone ahead and done the deed on the pretext of a marriage promise, but was still riding it out to decide if he'd go through with. Post after post of him talking about this poor girl (whose life and reputation he certainly destroyed) like a dog, honestly. 'She mops the floors and cleans the fuckin' apartment like a good bitch, while i kick back and watch a fucking Rocky and Rambo marathon! Marry an Asian girl or you're a fucking idiot! And make sure she's an 18 year old virgin like my bitch!' Apparently shortly after that he realized that he in fact doesn't agree with marrying Asians, so I suppose that means the rest of us are slightly less loser-ish now for not running straight to China to get married as per his previous official alpha position on the matter.

  89. I agree he deserves credit for some kick ass posts. I'll give him that.

    Another poster has said he actually has kids already. Anyway, I don't care what the dude is up to. I haven't been subscribed to B&D for literally 6 months+. dude is toxic and is no role model for young men trying to be somebody.

  90. I agree he deserves credit for some kick ass posts. I'll give him that.

    Another poster has said he actually has kids already. Anyway, I don't care what the dude is up to. I haven't been subscribed to B&D for literally 6 months+. dude is toxic and is no role model for young men trying to be somebody.

  91. Interesting.

    Lots of dickhead expats out here who are losers back home and develop a god complex by all the impoverished Asian ladies chasing them around. Sad, but true.

    I myself am married to an Asian woman so I don't judge anyone for being married to anyone of any race. It seems VP is a little confused on this issue, as you say. Either that or he says one thing and does another, which seems more probable.

    • This is it exactly!!! I agree with you and others some of the early posts are ok, but he basically regurgitates common sense like most other self proclaimed ‘gurus’. But it’s the whole ‘live in Asia’ and if you don’t you’re a loser for staying the US (or wherever). I remember reading a comment on his blog from an older guy saying it’s actually a shame young men like him were leaving there countries where they could be of use to society, to go to these poorer countries simply to stroke their egos.

      I was also extremely put off by all his ‘I walk down the street and I am God’ proclamations, girls stare at him in amazement, people ask him how he got so big in the gym etc. What he fails to release (or perhaps does but would never admit it) is that he is simply DIFFERENT. I worked on cruise ships, and can tell you I was always told by the Filipinos, Chinese, Indian workers I should be a model but am self aware enough to know that they generally think that about most white girls (yes I’m a girl 🙂 who are tall and have long blonde hair. Suffice to say I’ve never been told that by an American!

      This is basically a long post to say I agree about the God complex. It’s sad, really sad. Also, I was put off by a comment from an obviously young guy who wanted validation for his ‘brilliant’ idea – to camp out in little clearing he had found, in a tent, so he didn’t have to spend any money on rent, use the internet at the library to start a ‘blog’ and basically do that until his ‘business’ was up and running.

      Of course, VP agreed. I found it disgusting and it circles back to that older man’s comments – what a useless waste of opportunities. That boy would be more use to society, develop more self esteem certainly EARN MORE now and in the long run if he got a job at McDonalds.

      Crazy.

  92. Interesting.

    Lots of dickhead expats out here who are losers back home and develop a god complex by all the impoverished Asian ladies chasing them around. Sad, but true.

    I myself am married to an Asian woman so I don't judge anyone for being married to anyone of any race. It seems VP is a little confused on this issue, as you say. Either that or he says one thing and does another, which seems more probable.

    • This is it exactly!!! I agree with you and others some of the early posts are ok, but he basically regurgitates common sense like most other self proclaimed ‘gurus’. But it’s the whole ‘live in Asia’ and if you don’t you’re a loser for staying the US (or wherever). I remember reading a comment on his blog from an older guy saying it’s actually a shame young men like him were leaving there countries where they could be of use to society, to go to these poorer countries simply to stroke their egos.

      I was also extremely put off by all his ‘I walk down the street and I am God’ proclamations, girls stare at him in amazement, people ask him how he got so big in the gym etc. What he fails to release (or perhaps does but would never admit it) is that he is simply DIFFERENT. I worked on cruise ships, and can tell you I was always told by the Filipinos, Chinese, Indian workers I should be a model but am self aware enough to know that they generally think that about most white girls (yes I’m a girl 🙂 who are tall and have long blonde hair. Suffice to say I’ve never been told that by an American!

      This is basically a long post to say I agree about the God complex. It’s sad, really sad. Also, I was put off by a comment from an obviously young guy who wanted validation for his ‘brilliant’ idea – to camp out in little clearing he had found, in a tent, so he didn’t have to spend any money on rent, use the internet at the library to start a ‘blog’ and basically do that until his ‘business’ was up and running.

      Of course, VP agreed. I found it disgusting and it circles back to that older man’s comments – what a useless waste of opportunities. That boy would be more use to society, develop more self esteem certainly EARN MORE now and in the long run if he got a job at McDonalds.

      Crazy.

      • Wow,

        That young dude will be living in a tent for some time to come then. It can take years even for a great writer to make money off a blog.

        I know what you mean about Asia. It is awesome to live here and has many advantages, but people need to keep their feet on the ground and remember the real world.

        I don’t know if I agree with the McDonalds part. Sometimes jobs like those kill your spirit to the point you can’t have any drive/ambition outside of it. But I do get the point overall!

  93. PS: Your revelation that he was an English teacher solves many questions for me. That's how he got his visa and it is a possibility he still is that. Can't say for sure but it does make sense.

  94. PS: Your revelation that he was an English teacher solves many questions for me. That's how he got his visa and it is a possibility he still is that. Can't say for sure but it does make sense.

  95. G-Freedom, kudos for making this article. It serves as an antidote for those gullible young beta men (who hopefully read this article) that are having their minds corrupted by 'Uncle' Vic.

  96. G-Freedom, kudos for making this article. It serves as an antidote for those gullible young beta men (who hopefully read this article) that are having their minds corrupted by 'Uncle' Vic.

  97. I absolutely loved Bold and Determined in its first 2.5 years of posts. Before Bold and Determined I had a loser mindset and was really skinny. I was bad with women and so much bullshit was happening to my life at the point where I wanted to kill myself. So I looked up in google how to change my life. I found Bold and Determined via 10 reasons to quit masturbating to porn.

    I started reading his articles and started making myself better in everything from Exercising with heavy weights to reading books about successful entrepreneurs to learning Mixed Martial Arts (Which made me fearless). All I thought about was Success and nothing else. I also had loser friends and loser girlfriends but dumped everything cause they were worthless to me.

    Nowadays I read one of Victors articles and I feel like he lost his passion. One good thing he would do is to delete these “Shitty” posts and start fresher but its his life not mine.

    I have to say G-Freedom your blog is a great blog and you finally changed its looks. how about adding a wallpaper showing a nice beach with a sunset where you live?

    Also you are one of the few bloggers who tells there life and how they conquered their problems like moving somewhere else (I hope to do that in the future)

    • Thanks my friend.

      I also agree and I give Victor respect where it is due that his older articles were badass. In fact, I’d say part of what made me jaded was the fact I really enjoyed the site for months, then it just became blog for money, blog for money, as well as some glaring character flaws.

      I do aim to tell the truth about my struggles in my posts. Some believe showing weakness is a bad idea. I believe if you show them openly it transforms them into strength.

      Thanks for the compliments on the blog update. It was well overdue. WordPress is literally 1000000 times better than blogger.

      Keep pushing to overcome those limits you talked about. I’ve been there too. A post I’ll put out in two weeks will go into more detail!

  98. I absolutely loved Bold and Determined in its first 2.5 years of posts. Before Bold and Determined I had a loser mindset and was really skinny. I was bad with women and so much bullshit was happening to my life at the point where I wanted to kill myself. So I looked up in google how to change my life. I found Bold and Determined via 10 reasons to quit masturbating to porn.

    I started reading his articles and started making myself better in everything from Exercising with heavy weights to reading books about successful entrepreneurs to learning Mixed Martial Arts (Which made me fearless). All I thought about was Success and nothing else. I also had loser friends and loser girlfriends but dumped everything cause they were worthless to me.

    Nowadays I read one of Victors articles and I feel like he lost his passion. One good thing he would do is to delete these “Shitty” posts and start fresher but its his life not mine.

    I have to say G-Freedom your blog is a great blog and you finally changed its looks. how about adding a wallpaper showing a nice beach with a sunset where you live?

    Also you are one of the few bloggers who tells there life and how they conquered their problems like moving somewhere else (I hope to do that in the future)

    • Thanks my friend.

      I also agree and I give Victor respect where it is due that his older articles were badass. In fact, I’d say part of what made me jaded was the fact I really enjoyed the site for months, then it just became blog for money, blog for money, as well as some glaring character flaws.

      I do aim to tell the truth about my struggles in my posts. Some believe showing weakness is a bad idea. I believe if you show them openly it transforms them into strength.

      Thanks for the compliments on the blog update. It was well overdue. WordPress is literally 1000000 times better than blogger.

      Keep pushing to overcome those limits you talked about. I’ve been there too. A post I’ll put out in two weeks will go into more detail!

  99. Man you’re a retard. You didn’t understand what he said about having babies, he was worried about the children having identity issues or being discriminated. And it’s easy to reply to 90% of your doubts and critiques (the only one that has substance is the first one). I was about to reply to all your points but then I read “I personally make 15, and I’m only in my second year of my career” and I started laughing. yeah sure, 180k at 29, which is more than the USA CEOs average salary, after a career of two years. your readers are surely way more gullible than Vic’s ones.

    • *yawn* To be honest I’m over responding to little Vicobts who act like a North Korean who just found out Kim Jung Un hasn’t got superpowers, but I’ll entertain you.

      I make 15k a month, and I don’t give a fuck what you think. I’m not selling you anything nor any magical way you too can make 15k a month. I work offshore, 80 hours a week, and I know guys who make twice what i do. It’s called skilled labour in a high risk environment. This aint the USA son, you should try to travel and see what’s out there.

      2) I was going to…are the words of a loser who didn’t.

      3) His comments are clearly racist. Relisten to the podcast and you’ll also finds gems such as “Asian people are a bunch of dicks” and “Don’t date a Thai girl, she’s lying to you”.

      Get your head out of your ass before you post on an article again and make sure you know what your talking about.

  100. Man you’re a retard. You didn’t understand what he said about having babies, he was worried about the children having identity issues or being discriminated. And it’s easy to reply to 90% of your doubts and critiques (the only one that has substance is the first one). I was about to reply to all your points but then I read “I personally make 15, and I’m only in my second year of my career” and I started laughing. yeah sure, 180k at 29, which is more than the USA CEOs average salary, after a career of two years. your readers are surely way more gullible than Vic’s ones.

    • *yawn* To be honest I’m over responding to little Vicobts who act like a North Korean who just found out Kim Jung Un hasn’t got superpowers, but I’ll entertain you.

      I make 15k a month, and I don’t give a fuck what you think. I’m not selling you anything nor any magical way you too can make 15k a month. I work offshore, 80 hours a week, and I know guys who make twice what i do. It’s called skilled labour in a high risk environment. This aint the USA son, you should try to travel and see what’s out there.

      2) I was going to…are the words of a loser who didn’t.

      3) His comments are clearly racist. Relisten to the podcast and you’ll also finds gems such as “Asian people are a bunch of dicks” and “Don’t date a Thai girl, she’s lying to you”.

      Get your head out of your ass before you post on an article again and make sure you know what your talking about.

  101. Great Post this is the reason why I started reading this Blog….
    I thought I would clarify for “JR” that making 15K a month in the oil patch is not unrealistic at all. I live in Western Canada in the heart of oil country, and trust me this is not that uncommon. You just have to be prepared to work long hard hours (here it’s typically 2 weeks of 12 hour days straight, and then one week off) Granted not set in stone. Well the 12 hours a shift is for a drilling rig. When I was in the oil patch, not a drilling rig, we used to work 28 Days straight with 7 off (Hours varied from 6 hours on a slow day…rare.. to 18 hours on a long one. I’d say an average 12 hours). Sometimes your in a lot longer. I personally worked 2-1/2 months without a day off, and trust me there were guys that worked WAY more, but then you start to go crazy after a while… I’m unfamiliar with offshore Rigs, but a general rule is they pay more as it is more isolated, and more potentially dangerous. Think about it your in the middle of the ocean, you can’t run off lease if something goes wrong. Hence more pay.
    Anyways I agree with you Ol’ Uncle Vic may have had some great stuff in the beginning, but now it’s all toxic. If taking steroids, using narcotic’s, and treating everyone like there beneath you sounds like a great time then by all means continue to read B&D. I’ll stick to my art of selfhood any day. Keep up the great work.

    • Thanks for the comment Anon….

      Guys like JR here just don’t like it when their great leader is exposed as a ‘tard. It causes cognitive dissonance and an outlash.
      Hope you keep finding value in the blog! G

    • I just read that article. Yup, dude is off the reservation. lol. Because missing your kids dance recital to collect more pieces of paper with dead mens head on them is a sensible approach to life! I haven’t read B&D for a long time, but that was amusing. Thankyou.

    • I just read that article. Yup, dude is off the reservation. lol. Because missing your kids dance recital to collect more pieces of paper with dead mens head on them is a sensible approach to life! I haven’t read B&D for a long time, but that was amusing. Thankyou.

  102. I’m glad to see others noticed his hypocracy and racism. As a Eurasian myself, I was offended by his comments about mixed-race children coupled with the fact that he is dating an Asian woman and living in Asia. My heart breaks for the woman he’s stringing along.
    Oh, and it’s even more offensive given that he’s always hanging out with Good-Looking Loser who is mixed. Does that guy know what Vic has said?

    There’s definitely a place for his “no BS!” motivational war cries, but I can leave him as a person/psychopath/misogynist nazi, etc.

    • Well said, friend! Since my son is half-Asian too I’d like to have 5 minutes in the Octagon with VP. However, just let him stew in his own ignorance. The support I have received for writing this is evidence enough that he is a laughing stock.

  103. I’m glad to see others noticed his hypocracy and racism. As a Eurasian myself, I was offended by his comments about mixed-race children coupled with the fact that he is dating an Asian woman and living in Asia. My heart breaks for the woman he’s stringing along.
    Oh, and it’s even more offensive given that he’s always hanging out with Good-Looking Loser who is mixed. Does that guy know what Vic has said?

    There’s definitely a place for his “no BS!” motivational war cries, but I can leave him as a person/psychopath/misogynist nazi, etc.

    • Well said, friend! Since my son is half-Asian too I’d like to have 5 minutes in the Octagon with VP. However, just let him stew in his own ignorance. The support I have received for writing this is evidence enough that he is a laughing stock.

      • G Freedom,

        Yes. I love story from:

        Anonymous
        March 21, 2015 at 9:33 am

        when he said that he was English teacher in China! Haha!

        Love this part: I was likely one of the very first visitors to B&D actually, but if memory serves it wasn’t called B&D yet (just some dude’s blog) and he was actually using his real name, and showing his face openly.

      • G Freedom,

        Yes. I love story from:

        Anonymous
        March 21, 2015 at 9:33 am

        when he said that he was English teacher in China! Haha!

        Love this part: I was likely one of the very first visitors to B&D actually, but if memory serves it wasn’t called B&D yet (just some dude’s blog) and he was actually using his real name, and showing his face openly.

  104. I have two things to say about this guy.

    1. His ”books” are overpriced. They are pdfs barely 30 pages without the photos and cost as much as a paper back book.

    2. I am tired of him pimping all kinds of idiots on his site. THIS GUY IS ALREADY RICH and yet he doesn’t stop promoting idiot after idiot for a commission.

    3. A lot of the things he says are true in this pussy world, but he is not the God he claims to be.

  105. I have two things to say about this guy.

    1. His ”books” are overpriced. They are pdfs barely 30 pages without the photos and cost as much as a paper back book.

    2. I am tired of him pimping all kinds of idiots on his site. THIS GUY IS ALREADY RICH and yet he doesn’t stop promoting idiot after idiot for a commission.

    3. A lot of the things he says are true in this pussy world, but he is not the God he claims to be.

  106. Victor Pride’s real name is Nick Kelly from Dallas Tx. He once had a now defunct real estate business, then did the English in China thing.

  107. Victor Pride’s real name is Nick Kelly from Dallas Tx. He once had a now defunct real estate business, then did the English in China thing.

  108. Respect to you friend. I’ve never been to the site mentioned, but it seems like the old posts are worth a peek at.

    I only have a few comments, since I agree with nearly all of it. “Neanderthal” is a misnomer, as all Europeans have Neanderthal genes and East Asians even more so… I think it stems from cultural ignorance on the topic of genetics. Look it up, it’s actually quite an interesting story.

    At the very beginning you stated “Perhaps the primary reason I decided to stop investing my time in this website is that it doesn’t actually teach anything of value.” Perhaps a more accurate statement of your thoughts would be “doesn’t actually teach anything of value ‘anymore’.” You stated the blog did have some value in the past so just to avoid contradicting yourself. Didn’t think you meant to.

    You’re an interesting fellow, it’s unfortunate this is the first blog post I’ve seen and you’re discrediting someone, but it seems merited in my opinion thus far. I’ll have to look further, thank you and peace be with you.

  109. Respect to you friend. I’ve never been to the site mentioned, but it seems like the old posts are worth a peek at.

    I only have a few comments, since I agree with nearly all of it. “Neanderthal” is a misnomer, as all Europeans have Neanderthal genes and East Asians even more so… I think it stems from cultural ignorance on the topic of genetics. Look it up, it’s actually quite an interesting story.

    At the very beginning you stated “Perhaps the primary reason I decided to stop investing my time in this website is that it doesn’t actually teach anything of value.” Perhaps a more accurate statement of your thoughts would be “doesn’t actually teach anything of value ‘anymore’.” You stated the blog did have some value in the past so just to avoid contradicting yourself. Didn’t think you meant to.

    You’re an interesting fellow, it’s unfortunate this is the first blog post I’ve seen and you’re discrediting someone, but it seems merited in my opinion thus far. I’ll have to look further, thank you and peace be with you.

  110. Interesting take. I for one enjoy his website. He’s contrarian on a lot of issues. I do trust that he makes a lot of money. I had a website with an alexa rank of 900,000 that made $600 USD in passive income. Just for perspective.

    He states he lived in Thailand on an education visa which is totally reasonable. No need to insinuate bribery. His backstory is a bit unclear I do admit. He talks in length in various videos about working crappy jobs and eventually getting into real estate wholesaling. Was he successful? Who knows. Then he went to China, did the English teacher thing which he totally glosses over, then BnD took off.

  111. Interesting take. I for one enjoy his website. He’s contrarian on a lot of issues. I do trust that he makes a lot of money. I had a website with an alexa rank of 900,000 that made $600 USD in passive income. Just for perspective.

    He states he lived in Thailand on an education visa which is totally reasonable. No need to insinuate bribery. His backstory is a bit unclear I do admit. He talks in length in various videos about working crappy jobs and eventually getting into real estate wholesaling. Was he successful? Who knows. Then he went to China, did the English teacher thing which he totally glosses over, then BnD took off.

  112. First time reader, nice post!
    have been thinking of badnet lately myself, after stumbling upon this article can you indicate a few of the pro/con arguments for badnet vs. the 1 click wordpress on blue host that you’ve mentioned? I had never heard of it until now and am curious what the best route to take is if I want to get into blogging.

    Thanks

    • Brayden, I can’t comment on Badnet because I have never used this service, but I can only assume it is something similar to 1-click-wordpress install. Not sure what host Victor uses or what service he offers exactly. The best route to get into blogging by far is to use WordPress, pick a free template to begin with, and just write your heart out….you’ll be surprised by how many people find your blog!

      • Fantastic stuff. I will keep you posted on the blog in the future months. I really enjoy the online community there’s definitely a certain breed of man out there that needs that wide outlet for things that his circle of friends can’t relate too.

        How has the online gig worked out for you as far as finances go? By the sounds of some of your posts you are still relatively young. Being 23 as of yesterday myself I am likely in a similar boat as yourself, definitely going to make an income online over the years

        Sent from my iPhone

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  113. First time reader, nice post!
    have been thinking of badnet lately myself, after stumbling upon this article can you indicate a few of the pro/con arguments for badnet vs. the 1 click wordpress on blue host that you’ve mentioned? I had never heard of it until now and am curious what the best route to take is if I want to get into blogging.

    Thanks

    • Brayden, I can’t comment on Badnet because I have never used this service, but I can only assume it is something similar to 1-click-wordpress install. Not sure what host Victor uses or what service he offers exactly. The best route to get into blogging by far is to use WordPress, pick a free template to begin with, and just write your heart out….you’ll be surprised by how many people find your blog!

      • Fantastic stuff. I will keep you posted on the blog in the future months. I really enjoy the online community there’s definitely a certain breed of man out there that needs that wide outlet for things that his circle of friends can’t relate too.

        How has the online gig worked out for you as far as finances go? By the sounds of some of your posts you are still relatively young. Being 23 as of yesterday myself I am likely in a similar boat as yourself, definitely going to make an income online over the years

        Sent from my iPhone

        >

  114. I don’t completely agree with this article. I’d learned alot from Victor pride, especially if your the normal dude who don’t know how the muscle industry, the internet gold mine, & how writing works.

    He taught me that these people we see in hollywood today (like zac efron), and those bodybuilders are using steroids! Yes i know some of you may think of it as basic, but to many of us, it made us realize how did they grew that fast! I think using steroids is a safe practice As long as it is consulted and regulated by your doctor. If they can get hollywood bodies? why can’t we?

    But i got your point G-Freedom, he has many flaws, bad characterics, but the right mindset to motivate people who are still in a rut. I think the verdict here is give him a chance. Annoying he is, as a arrogant, racist man, he’s still influence people to Eat right (truth about whey protein supplements), lift weights & don’t be embarrass starting out, and defnitely entrepreneurship.

    Thanks for post G-freedom, VP is not a god, but a person with good intention to make boys become a man. Though his character definitely has a hole.

  115. I don’t completely agree with this article. I’d learned alot from Victor pride, especially if your the normal dude who don’t know how the muscle industry, the internet gold mine, & how writing works.

    He taught me that these people we see in hollywood today (like zac efron), and those bodybuilders are using steroids! Yes i know some of you may think of it as basic, but to many of us, it made us realize how did they grew that fast! I think using steroids is a safe practice As long as it is consulted and regulated by your doctor. If they can get hollywood bodies? why can’t we?

    But i got your point G-Freedom, he has many flaws, bad characterics, but the right mindset to motivate people who are still in a rut. I think the verdict here is give him a chance. Annoying he is, as a arrogant, racist man, he’s still influence people to Eat right (truth about whey protein supplements), lift weights & don’t be embarrass starting out, and defnitely entrepreneurship.

    Thanks for post G-freedom, VP is not a god, but a person with good intention to make boys become a man. Though his character definitely has a hole.

  116. Good post. I just discovered B&D yesterday, and some articles got me fired up. I’m an almost perfect target for his site : 30yo (20 I would have become hardcore fan I guess), failure in many aspects of my life, no job no gf, no perspective, etc…
    And I like provocative, no PC stuff, so there is cool stuff on his site for me. But he does seem like a total douche, and this “loser goes to Asia and think is God because girls around are just poor” thing seems true (is there a community of this type of guy online?).
    So, like many losers i guess, I am looking for a niche and seeking for advices, and I noted that the niche of these gurus is always making money online by being a guru yourself. That is a kind of pyramidal scheme, all his followers will make almost nothing, while he gets it all. He is “friend” with two other guys with similar sites, and they launch each other ebooks and stuff. They are the top of the pyramid. What do you think about that ? I’m just wondering.

  117. Good post. I just discovered B&D yesterday, and some articles got me fired up. I’m an almost perfect target for his site : 30yo (20 I would have become hardcore fan I guess), failure in many aspects of my life, no job no gf, no perspective, etc…
    And I like provocative, no PC stuff, so there is cool stuff on his site for me. But he does seem like a total douche, and this “loser goes to Asia and think is God because girls around are just poor” thing seems true (is there a community of this type of guy online?).
    So, like many losers i guess, I am looking for a niche and seeking for advices, and I noted that the niche of these gurus is always making money online by being a guru yourself. That is a kind of pyramidal scheme, all his followers will make almost nothing, while he gets it all. He is “friend” with two other guys with similar sites, and they launch each other ebooks and stuff. They are the top of the pyramid. What do you think about that ? I’m just wondering.

  118. After reading all these comments I will tell you what amazes me the most. That so many people had to be one of Victor Pride’s followers for months or years before they realize he is a scam artist. I don’t even remember what I clicked on to find his blog but the very first time I rad something he wrote I instantly realized he was full of shit. You will never see the name Victor Pride in lights. He will remain a small time blogger making his $75000 a year and living in southeast asia because he cant make it here forever.

  119. After reading all these comments I will tell you what amazes me the most. That so many people had to be one of Victor Pride’s followers for months or years before they realize he is a scam artist. I don’t even remember what I clicked on to find his blog but the very first time I rad something he wrote I instantly realized he was full of shit. You will never see the name Victor Pride in lights. He will remain a small time blogger making his $75000 a year and living in southeast asia because he cant make it here forever.

  120. At the beginning I was impressed with his phylosophy of transformation: how he used to be a doormat, weak and how he got more work ethic, discipline and strength.

    But from reading several of his articles and seeing his before and after picture and how he promotes legal testosterone use through a doctor prescription: the whole picture became clearer.

    Victor Pride used to be a weak, skinny guy with a testosterone problem.
    He got testosterone shots because of this and nto surprisingly got bigger, stronger and even developed roid rage and fake-bad-ass without emotions face.

    He eventually started experimenting with even more drugs, he said legal but I don’t believe it for a second, it’s just a ways to make himself feel less bad for lying about drug usage with an half-truth.

    People are inspired by his story of transformation thinking, from Victor words, that it’s all about commitement, stopping whining, hating socialists, lifting weights where it’s actually only chemical substance work.

    These are the worst scammer because what they do to people who believe hard-work is all it takes and never get the results their guru tells them they should, is making them feel like failure… after 3-4 years of discovering Victor website they will feel 100% worse than whey they discovered it first time.

  121. At the beginning I was impressed with his phylosophy of transformation: how he used to be a doormat, weak and how he got more work ethic, discipline and strength.

    But from reading several of his articles and seeing his before and after picture and how he promotes legal testosterone use through a doctor prescription: the whole picture became clearer.

    Victor Pride used to be a weak, skinny guy with a testosterone problem.
    He got testosterone shots because of this and nto surprisingly got bigger, stronger and even developed roid rage and fake-bad-ass without emotions face.

    He eventually started experimenting with even more drugs, he said legal but I don’t believe it for a second, it’s just a ways to make himself feel less bad for lying about drug usage with an half-truth.

    People are inspired by his story of transformation thinking, from Victor words, that it’s all about commitement, stopping whining, hating socialists, lifting weights where it’s actually only chemical substance work.

    These are the worst scammer because what they do to people who believe hard-work is all it takes and never get the results their guru tells them they should, is making them feel like failure… after 3-4 years of discovering Victor website they will feel 100% worse than whey they discovered it first time.

  122. Oh boy!
    I am so confused. He advocates TRT and stuff. And Although he is right about “No cheating when all are using it”. But still a one in a million physique is not necessary for life. Most people will be fine with one in a thousand physique that can be attained naturally.
    I have a doubt though!
    Is Paul Wade’s advice in Convict Conditioning series good and legitimate?
    I agree with his philosophy on joint strengthening as I healed my hyperextended knee pain with bodyweight squat progressions!
    Thank you for sharing it from my heart. I was even thinking about using roids at one time while I was in his spell.

  123. Oh boy!
    I am so confused. He advocates TRT and stuff. And Although he is right about “No cheating when all are using it”. But still a one in a million physique is not necessary for life. Most people will be fine with one in a thousand physique that can be attained naturally.
    I have a doubt though!
    Is Paul Wade’s advice in Convict Conditioning series good and legitimate?
    I agree with his philosophy on joint strengthening as I healed my hyperextended knee pain with bodyweight squat progressions!
    Thank you for sharing it from my heart. I was even thinking about using roids at one time while I was in his spell.

  124. I actually tried to have a serious conversation with him, but the man is so lost in his self-righteousness that there is absolutely no point. In his mind, he is never wrong. His way is the only way. What he says is gospel. He always bends things to his liking. Always. I have presented serious arguments refuting some of his claims, but he always finds a way to get out. He never admits his mistakes. Also, his responses to my questions are very immature.

    He started deleting my comments when I accused him of doing everything for money, which is the case. He started selling all kinds of bullshit supplements – RED shit and promoting numskulls. I am serious the site has become pure fucking vomit. There are only fanboys (16-25 screw ups) who think uncle Vic cares about anything else other than their money.

    One thing is certain – if there’s a good business opportunity, he will reject his previous principles and find a way to justify the change of direction. That makes me crazy.

    I don’t trust the guy one bit. I don’t trust his story. I am sorry. I think his is simply playing a role and has a very different life in reality. I would not be surprised if he is married and has children and is just playing the role of the eternal baller Victor Pride to make cash.

    Also, for some reason, he is promoting Trump like there is no tomorrow.

    I am out of there for good. I don’t want to participate in a fake, environment where you have no idea what is real and what is not.

    The old content used to be good. Now the site is just a shadow of its former self.

    No wonder it’s stagnating like crazy.

    Fuck it. I am out of there.

  125. I actually tried to have a serious conversation with him, but the man is so lost in his self-righteousness that there is absolutely no point. In his mind, he is never wrong. His way is the only way. What he says is gospel. He always bends things to his liking. Always. I have presented serious arguments refuting some of his claims, but he always finds a way to get out. He never admits his mistakes. Also, his responses to my questions are very immature.

    He started deleting my comments when I accused him of doing everything for money, which is the case. He started selling all kinds of bullshit supplements – RED shit and promoting numskulls. I am serious the site has become pure fucking vomit. There are only fanboys (16-25 screw ups) who think uncle Vic cares about anything else other than their money.

    One thing is certain – if there’s a good business opportunity, he will reject his previous principles and find a way to justify the change of direction. That makes me crazy.

    I don’t trust the guy one bit. I don’t trust his story. I am sorry. I think his is simply playing a role and has a very different life in reality. I would not be surprised if he is married and has children and is just playing the role of the eternal baller Victor Pride to make cash.

    Also, for some reason, he is promoting Trump like there is no tomorrow.

    I am out of there for good. I don’t want to participate in a fake, environment where you have no idea what is real and what is not.

    The old content used to be good. Now the site is just a shadow of its former self.

    No wonder it’s stagnating like crazy.

    Fuck it. I am out of there.

  126. B&D was indeed a good blog back then. Some of it’s articles and one of VP’s ebook really helped me to get myself together after some hard times in my life and I find his bodybuilding and diet tips useful as a natural. I learnt to follow my dreams and not to quit at the first difficulties. Though even back then I disagreed with his articles on steroid use.

    I found your blog when I seriously started questioning his articles, I, like others before me, also noticed his contradictions. The newer articles, are just about the use of his supplements, even now whenever I receive an email about a new article, I say “right, I guess it’s just another piece of advertisement of his brand new …. yeah, told ya, another supplement”. I fed up with those.

    From time to time I still read his old work (let’s face it, it fires people up), but the new ones are just plain garbage. I still keep his tips for natural trainers around though, it works for me.

    Anyway, I started reading your posts, it’s really good stuff. Keep up the good work. 🙂

  127. B&D was indeed a good blog back then. Some of it’s articles and one of VP’s ebook really helped me to get myself together after some hard times in my life and I find his bodybuilding and diet tips useful as a natural. I learnt to follow my dreams and not to quit at the first difficulties. Though even back then I disagreed with his articles on steroid use.

    I found your blog when I seriously started questioning his articles, I, like others before me, also noticed his contradictions. The newer articles, are just about the use of his supplements, even now whenever I receive an email about a new article, I say “right, I guess it’s just another piece of advertisement of his brand new …. yeah, told ya, another supplement”. I fed up with those.

    From time to time I still read his old work (let’s face it, it fires people up), but the new ones are just plain garbage. I still keep his tips for natural trainers around though, it works for me.

    Anyway, I started reading your posts, it’s really good stuff. Keep up the good work. 🙂

  128. One of my friends has started following this guy so I’ve been looking into him. Seems like a huge phony and I’m legitimately worried about my friend. He’s basically cut off all contact from our friend group and lives as a recluse by himself. I found out he quit his job awhile back but keep tabs on how he’s doing through his things he posts and says online where it’s obvious he is buying into this garbage. He graduated from college and now plans to be a blogger thinking his degree was a complete waste of time and money. I don’t know what he plans to do when he runs out of money, which he undoubtedly will.

    I’m beginning to think that he’s just searching for something or someone to follow hanging on this fraud’s every word as if he is God. I know my friend has always thought himself to be a genious which is an absolutely delusional idea considering he is a bigoted racist misogynist who honestly believes in the ideas of all Muslims are terrorist, black people are all criminals, and women should be treated as your personal slave. I believe this stems from his thought that all women must be bitches because none of them want him. About a year ago when we still talked on a somewhat regular basis he began telling me how he felt on all these subjects, which caused me to slowly disassociate with him to the point we are now. I have spoken to my friend about 5 times over the course of the past 6 months.

    Anyway as you can see it’s pretty easy to figure out why he has begun to follow Vic and buy into this trash. I don’t really know how to approach him about this considering he seems to want to have nothing to do with anyone anymore. I’m worried that he’s become so isolated from the real world he’s living in complete fantasy. He is the perfect prey for guys like victor pride but is too delusional to realize the life he describes and the ideas he holds are a cancer to the vulnerable.

  129. One of my friends has started following this guy so I’ve been looking into him. Seems like a huge phony and I’m legitimately worried about my friend. He’s basically cut off all contact from our friend group and lives as a recluse by himself. I found out he quit his job awhile back but keep tabs on how he’s doing through his things he posts and says online where it’s obvious he is buying into this garbage. He graduated from college and now plans to be a blogger thinking his degree was a complete waste of time and money. I don’t know what he plans to do when he runs out of money, which he undoubtedly will.

    I’m beginning to think that he’s just searching for something or someone to follow hanging on this fraud’s every word as if he is God. I know my friend has always thought himself to be a genious which is an absolutely delusional idea considering he is a bigoted racist misogynist who honestly believes in the ideas of all Muslims are terrorist, black people are all criminals, and women should be treated as your personal slave. I believe this stems from his thought that all women must be bitches because none of them want him. About a year ago when we still talked on a somewhat regular basis he began telling me how he felt on all these subjects, which caused me to slowly disassociate with him to the point we are now. I have spoken to my friend about 5 times over the course of the past 6 months.

    Anyway as you can see it’s pretty easy to figure out why he has begun to follow Vic and buy into this trash. I don’t really know how to approach him about this considering he seems to want to have nothing to do with anyone anymore. I’m worried that he’s become so isolated from the real world he’s living in complete fantasy. He is the perfect prey for guys like victor pride but is too delusional to realize the life he describes and the ideas he holds are a cancer to the vulnerable.

  130. Humans are social animals
    there always will be the need for a leader, a guru, a priest…

    the natural, real alpha (male or female…) will lead the group
    to the best options

    the Fakes will enrich themselves and lead to destruction

    Victor Pride… suffers from depression and burn out
    This is his hidden magnet that attracts persons of similar composition

    The role of Alpha is therapy for them
    As they cannot achieve this because of their depressed nature
    They become false prophets and a curse

    The true natural Alpha
    Is a rare blessing…

      • Look at his face, expression, posture, voice, even his “writing”….
        compare that to Bruce Lee:
        “Honestly expressing yourself…”
        what a difference…

        most self styled Gurus suffer from deep depression
        it is their therapy…

        the „sports“ and activities are bursts, short action – impatience

        when you engage seriously in any Endurance like Marathon, Triathlon,
        you meet very different kind of Persons.

        Many years of Endurance give you an almost perfectly balanced personality
        To endure, sustain, to last, taking obstacles, being productive, creative
        Taking pain with very little reward
        This makes Life valuable, wonderful

        The Persons you meet on that way
        Are great Personalities, valuable, dependable, helpful friends and comrades
        Even fighting for you.

        The others…?

  131. Humans are social animals
    there always will be the need for a leader, a guru, a priest…

    the natural, real alpha (male or female…) will lead the group
    to the best options

    the Fakes will enrich themselves and lead to destruction

    Victor Pride… suffers from depression and burn out
    This is his hidden magnet that attracts persons of similar composition

    The role of Alpha is therapy for them
    As they cannot achieve this because of their depressed nature
    They become false prophets and a curse

    The true natural Alpha
    Is a rare blessing…

      • Look at his face, expression, posture, voice, even his “writing”….
        compare that to Bruce Lee:
        “Honestly expressing yourself…”
        what a difference…

        most self styled Gurus suffer from deep depression
        it is their therapy…

        the „sports“ and activities are bursts, short action – impatience

        when you engage seriously in any Endurance like Marathon, Triathlon,
        you meet very different kind of Persons.

        Many years of Endurance give you an almost perfectly balanced personality
        To endure, sustain, to last, taking obstacles, being productive, creative
        Taking pain with very little reward
        This makes Life valuable, wonderful

        The Persons you meet on that way
        Are great Personalities, valuable, dependable, helpful friends and comrades
        Even fighting for you.

        The others…?

  132. Victor Pride is simply in it for the money.

    Also, he has a great writing style for the type of material he presents. It’s very appealing, especially in this world of suppressed masculinity and social media matrix.

    People like that.

    In reality, however, I don’t trust the guy’s personal story. Everything is about making money, money, money.

    As long as you give him money, he is happy.

    Also, he always deletes negative comments. Sometimes he would let the comment sit for a few days, but later he deletes it. The goal is to think that he had allowed it when in fact he hadn’t.

    That’s how he creates this “positive” space on his blog where every man is sucking up to him.

    The funny thing is that many people are actually doing remixes of his articles. His fanboys have similar blogs which are essentially repeating the same nonsense balonie.

    At the end of the day, if you want to make money from your blog, you need three things:

    1. a great idea;
    2. work ethic – there’s a lot of work to be done;
    3. patience;

    That’s the secret.

    In conclusion

    Victor Pride is a great writer who also plays a fictional character. I don’t trust his story one bit. I think it’s all an act. I have no doubt in my mind that this guy would bend in all kinds of way just to make money, money, money, money.

    And yeah, his supplements are pure fucking bullshit. Only a fucking idiot would buy them.

  133. Victor Pride is simply in it for the money.

    Also, he has a great writing style for the type of material he presents. It’s very appealing, especially in this world of suppressed masculinity and social media matrix.

    People like that.

    In reality, however, I don’t trust the guy’s personal story. Everything is about making money, money, money.

    As long as you give him money, he is happy.

    Also, he always deletes negative comments. Sometimes he would let the comment sit for a few days, but later he deletes it. The goal is to think that he had allowed it when in fact he hadn’t.

    That’s how he creates this “positive” space on his blog where every man is sucking up to him.

    The funny thing is that many people are actually doing remixes of his articles. His fanboys have similar blogs which are essentially repeating the same nonsense balonie.

    At the end of the day, if you want to make money from your blog, you need three things:

    1. a great idea;
    2. work ethic – there’s a lot of work to be done;
    3. patience;

    That’s the secret.

    In conclusion

    Victor Pride is a great writer who also plays a fictional character. I don’t trust his story one bit. I think it’s all an act. I have no doubt in my mind that this guy would bend in all kinds of way just to make money, money, money, money.

    And yeah, his supplements are pure fucking bullshit. Only a fucking idiot would buy them.

  134. You have to admit that when you’re taking a dump and need something to make you literally shit yourself laughing then his blog does the trick. I read his Kratom write up and he calls all addicts weak and powerless and etc. but is promoting using a substance everyday to put “pep in your step”….. Call me crazy but that sounds like addiction and not all addicts are weak; not all of anybody is anything, if you catch my drift. I wasn’t aware he was an addiction specialist or a doctor for that matter. I’m just glad you realized that this “bro” is a total fraud.

    • Addicts are sick. I have a friend who suffers from an addiction. He’s an extremely strong guy and has had a life that would have buried most, but he’s still standing above ground. Victor has a very simple minded way of seeing the world. This is a great example of this. Thanks for commenting!

  135. Well, we can talk bad about him all day. But he is a millionaire and has changed the lives of many people.

    Sure, he is a total dick and has probably hurt many people, lied about many things..etc.

    But so what?

    How are ”ordinary people” any better?

    • Nothing is black and white. I’m sure dude has good and bad qualities. It’s just the bad ones were bad enough to put me, personally, off.

  136. Fantastic Post G!
    I’m glad that someone decided to write about this. I have been a reader at BandD for a long time since the beginning and I have to admit a lot of his earlier stuff was pretty good. Although I viewed his work as not much different than the other blogs that write the exact same shit.

    I read it more for entertainment rather than sound word advice only because we are on the internet and most people tend to make their stories bigger than they really are. I have seen this guy at times disrespect some of his followers and then have the nerve to put it online! I mean if this guy is supposed to help these men then why do this?

    I’m a working man and I have a 9 to 5 job that pays well! Him knocking the working man as if they are slaves is a real disrespect. Thats great that you have a business but don’t knock other people’a hustle because you feel to build yourself up.

    Another thing which has pulled me away more was his post about Fathers. In other words that it’s your Father fault that you are where you are. Really? Not only that but the comments of these men knocking on their fathers was repugnant! Being a Father myself I felt really disrespected.

    As time went on I was pulling more away from his posts

    If he was the helping type like he said he is why is he not helping those who follow him in building their own sites and learning SEO. You don’t have to reveal the exact way you do it but instead lead your followers in the right direction. Instead he makes you buy a SEO book which the majority of the stuff in it you can find for free.

    It’s not only him as there are other rock star bloggers that are doing the same thing.
    Another popular blogger wants to become a Politician as he promotes Trump to the point of nauseum!

    Both men as well as others at lead to me are nothing more than online marketers and are not your friends or people to look up to.

    Its sad that it boils down to money and nothing else. Now when i read b&d and d&p I see no value in it at all. Even enough to say that their stuff is really BORING!

    So Gentlemen if you are looking for a mentor just look towards yourself and push through! That is how i do and have been doing to this day!

    Great post Gavin

    • Haha…I’ve thought many times about doing an expose on Mike Cernovich, but he seems like a vindictive little douchebag so I will probably not go down that rabbit hole. As for your posts about VP, it amazes me how many people fall for this crap. I also wondered if maybe some of the commenters are paid to leave those ass kissing statements. Good to see you’re awake and thanks for posting.

    • Nerve to put it online?

      Why does him knocking the working man make you feel disrespected?

      Why do you feel disrespected again when he talks about dead beat dads?

      Why should he talk about SEO when it’s something you can look up online?

      Why do you read him to the point of nausea and then get upset?

      Why would you continue reading if it is boring?

      Why are you looking for a mentor?

      You guys are really “woke” and are killin it huh?

      But wyd?

      – Ronin

  137. Hi G-Freedom,

    Just discovered your website yesterday, interestingly enough through digging through some articles on kratom that I pulled up on Google. I want to start off by saying I think you’ve got some solid content here, and this is definitely one of the better ‘male self-improvement’ websites out there.

    With regards to the article, even though it was written two and a half years ago, I think it rings just as true today as it did in Sept. of 2014. Victor has proved to be nothing more than just a just another internet marketer, albeit a very slick and clever one. He constantly contradicts himself and rehashes old content, and he now has a website selling overpriced supplements, supplements that he’s deemed as being garbage in some of his older posts.

    All that being said though, I still think the website has some useful info, and I still check it out from time to time, I just don’t blindly worship him and take everything he says seriously, nor will I ever purchase anything he sells. His advice though on improving your physique, improving your mindset, and creating the life you want for yourself is all very good, and I think something any young man can benefit form. After all G-Freedom, you’d be a bit of a hypocrite if you totally condemned him, since I’m willing to bet he’s partly responsible for motivating you tostart your own self-improvement website 😉

    Thanks, and take care.

    – Brandon

  138. Lol.interesting bs. First, empty content. That’s not true. Second. Questionable practices coz of steroids. Lmfao. If you do it right, gear is less dangerous than drinking alcohol regularly.
    3. His true identity. He doesn hide it. 4. His personal story.. You question it because of a fucking visa lol.
    Maybe he has an elite visa. Problem solved. I have the same. 5. You ain’t impressed with him. So what. Nobody cares. And if 10k is only small (which it is not) then why you make only fifteen k?

    You are the one who needs critical thinking.

  139. I had a feeling this post would have a lot of comments lol. I guess it’s hard to trust anyone online, period. I too found value in some of his old posts, and agree that he’s steered away from useful content recently. With that said, I believe he is the man we see in pictures and videos and admire the immense website he’s created. Though I don’t always agree with his way of thinking, if there’s one thing I agree with is the importance of discipline and how it gets you anything you want.

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